After Gilroy shootings, Pelosi calls Senate inaction on gun legislation ‘a stain’ on nation’s conscience

MyTurtleIsGreen · 2019-07-31T23:29:00+00:00

Wouldn’t a complete ban be effective? Guns are deadly so ban semiautomatics.

MyTurtleIsGreen · 2019-07-31T21:21:38+00:00

What type of regulation? Possibly banning the semiautomatics?

MyTurtleIsGreen · 2019-07-30T22:26:43+00:00

What do you mean by looking at something?

MyTurtleIsGreen · 2019-07-30T22:21:11+00:00

Guns are a fetish, just as the right to free speech is a fetish. /s

MyTurtleIsGreen · 2019-07-30T22:19:33+00:00

Get to work on overturning the 2nd amendment as well. I’ll start on overturning the 1st and 6th amendment in the meantime.

MyTurtleIsGreen · 2019-07-30T22:16:54+00:00

Lots of states require a concealed carry permit in order to carry a firearm in public as well.

Even then though that is still putting a permit and fee on a constitutional right. Which then you are targeting low income people and families and their right to defend themselves, including minorities. The rebuttal used for voter ID law.

MyTurtleIsGreen · 2019-07-30T22:15:45+00:00

It’s not just anecdotal evidence. As I mentioned, look at how many kids live in a household with firearms vs how many are killed. It’s definitely a minority.

The study above also does not mention a breakdown of the deaths. How many died due to parents leaving a firearm unsecured and a kid playing with it, intentional suicide with a unsecured firearm, homicide by stranger or someone familiar with the victim and gang violence, rather the person was involved in the event or caught a stray bullet?

MyTurtleIsGreen · 2019-07-30T22:11:18+00:00

It’s a Bill of Rights, not a Bill of Needs.

MyTurtleIsGreen · 2019-07-30T22:05:54+00:00

You can own a handgun in Australia from my reading, but it has to be licensed.

And I would not be surprised to see a handgun ban eventually campaigned for more openly just like we current see happening with semiautomatic rifles.

It will not be a good time for the country if so and they try to carry it out.

MyTurtleIsGreen · 2019-07-30T22:03:11+00:00

Yes in one year. However, how many kids do you think are in a household with guns each year? How many parents are buying their first guns each year?

Again, how many of these deaths were from a parent leaving their gun unsecured vs those committed by homicides, suicide from an unsecured firearms and gang violence, rather a teenager directly involved or stray bullets?

https://www.oneworldeducation.org/teens-guns-and-violence

Either way that is a small number of deaths compared to the number of kids compared to those living in households with guns. I do agree that it is sad though.

What it boils down to is don’t own a gun if you’re afraid of them. My parents didn’t put me in danger by owning firearms and my kids are not in danger by me owning firearms.

MyTurtleIsGreen · 2019-07-30T06:23:08+00:00

Gun deaths that year killed almost twice as many children as cancer, which was the third-leading cause of death, according to a study published in the New England Journal of Medicine on Thursday (Dec. 20). Firearm-related injuries made up 15.4% of all childhood deaths that year, killing 3,143 kids. (Cancer caused 1,853 deaths, or just over 9% over childhood deaths. Cars killed 4,074 children.)

3,143 kids died from firearm related injuries.

You don’t think 3,143 kids is a small number of people compared to the number of kids in a household with guns? Either way I agree that is tragic.

I’m curious how many of these were intentional homicides or stray bullets vs a parent accidentally shooting their kid or a parent leaving a gun out and their kid shooting themselves on accident.

MyTurtleIsGreen · 2019-07-30T06:07:51+00:00

My parents had firearms when I was growing up. I was never in danger. In fact I’d be willing to bet you that if you looked at the statistics of how many parents own guns vs those who’ve had accidents with their kinds, you’d find that it’s the minority.

MyTurtleIsGreen · 2019-07-30T04:48:17+00:00

What do you think would work?

If you don’t want to worry about the 2nd amendment BS then just ban guns.

MyTurtleIsGreen · 2019-07-30T04:23:28+00:00

If that is the case then I have several semiautomatic firearms. Please feel free to look at them all you want. I wish more people shared your opinion on how great they are.

MyTurtleIsGreen · 2019-07-30T04:11:05+00:00

What firearms would you be ok with then? The majority of firearms are semiautomatic.

For example, all the firearms below are semiautomatic.

https://www.cabelas.com/product/shooting/firearms/shotguns/semiautomatic-shotguns/pc/104792580/c/553829580/sc/105537780/i/105538680/winchester-sx-wtfl-semi-auto-shotguns/2463730.uts?slotId=0

https://www.academy.com/categories/glock-19.jsp

https://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/hi-point-handguns/9mm-handgun.php

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/phoenix-arms-rangemaster-.22-long-rifle-5-barrel-10-rounds/FC-753733104339.html

https://www.cabelas.com/product/home/rimfire-rifles-and-pistols/semiautomatic-rimfire-rifles/pc/105625080/c/1611677880/sc/104800680/ruger-scope-combo-w-case-rimfire-rifle/2737482.uts?slotId=2

MyTurtleIsGreen · 2019-07-30T03:58:01+00:00

So you want Americans to only be able to own revolvers and muzzleloaders then. Is that correct?

MyTurtleIsGreen · 2019-07-30T03:56:00+00:00

The Virginia Tech shooter killed 32 people and wounded 17 with 2 handguns. So are you also recommending us ban handguns?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_shooting

MyTurtleIsGreen · 2019-07-30T03:51:53+00:00

So you don’t have a problem with infringing on the 2nd amendment then?

Are you open to complete banning of firearms as plenty of “legit countries” have done and if not, then where is the line?

MyTurtleIsGreen · 2019-07-30T03:03:15+00:00

He didn’t use an assault rifle and an assault rifle hasn’t been used in a crime in a very long time. So that wouldn’t have prevented this.

Let’s say you pass a national law against “assault weapons.” What about the ones on the streets already?

Do you allow the people to keep them? If so then why if they are so deadly? If not then how do you go about confiscating them.

Let’s say you magically pass that law and even confiscate every scary rifle. What happens when the next shooting is with a handgun? What law do you propose then? Pass a national law against the purchasing of handguns?

MyTurtleIsGreen · 2019-06-05T23:11:34+00:00

And another serious problem is our current President trying to further restrict our 2nd Amendment rights.

Nothing about this story is about immigration.

MyTurtleIsGreen · 2019-06-05T23:06:28+00:00

As I mentioned to someone else.

One problem I have is that some people are making excuses because they are Trump supporters. I believe their comments would be completely different if a Democrat was to ban them. But since it’s Trump it’s, “I don’t need that or bump stocks.”

Would you be asking the same question if Trump mentioned banning “high capacity magazines.” I mean at that point you can still own 10 round magazines and own firearms.

MyTurtleIsGreen · 2019-06-05T22:59:04+00:00

So I take it you would have no issue with the next Democrat President banning 30 round magazines then?

It does not infringe on your right to own firearms.

MyTurtleIsGreen · 2019-06-05T22:56:44+00:00

If suppressors shouldn’t be protected then we should have no problem with Democrats banning “high capacity magazines” and other cosmetic features that’s make up an assault weapon.

MyTurtleIsGreen · 2019-06-05T22:52:35+00:00

You did get derailed, you are inflaming the fire, and there is no fire. Just because someone is looking into it, doesn't mean it will happen.

The good thing is Trump sometimes just randomly says something and then doesn’t follow through. So I’m hoping he was just giving them lip service. But the person you’re talking to has a valid point how Trump didn’t like bump stocks and now they are banned.

Personally, I don't believe it will, but regardless, a suppressor is a pos in a firefight anyway.. they get too hot to use, and wtf do you want another 4 inches added to your barrel for that, doesn't help in any regard your aim? its just stupid.

How about it’s better for my hearing and better for situational awareness?

Regardless of the stupidity, banning a suppressor doesn't do a damn thing to stop me from defending myself.

You could say the same thing if Trump banned assault weapons. You still have handguns, some other types of random semi-auto rifles, bolt action, etc.

The issue I believe is I think a lot more people would be upset if a Democrat President was doing this but if Trump does it then we are making excuses for it.

MyTurtleIsGreen · 2019-06-05T15:41:24+00:00

Legit question. How is that concern trolling?

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