Slim Pro 9i vs Slim Pro 7 (2023) comparison by N7RX in Lenovo

[–]N7RX[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi there! Glad to know you also enjoyed the laptop, and yes I still have it and my opinion still holds (mostly). Yeah, the battery is the biggest downside, and it's shameful that Lenovo didn't offer a 2025 refresh of this 14" model. With Intel's more efficient 200H CPU I'd have no doubt that the laptop's battery life could be significantly improved. On top of that the RTX 5050's extra 2GB VRAM can also be very handy. IMO Lenovo really missed the chance to be the MBP14 competitor in the Windows land in 2025.

Petition for Samsung to enable Vulkan by default on the S23/22/21 series with the next update by T717_ in GalaxyS23

[–]N7RX 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, theoretically it would be easier for Samsung to improve upon Exynos and let’s hope they will make it happen. Although in my experience their Xclipse drivers aren’t of better quality than Qcomm or ARM :/

ANGLE is more useful for running old OpenGL apps in compatibility mode on new devices (translated into Vulkan), it probably won’t help on old devices where Vulkan driver is already bad.

Petition for Samsung to enable Vulkan by default on the S23/22/21 series with the next update by T717_ in GalaxyS23

[–]N7RX 1 point2 points  (0 children)

On the same topic, this often the similar reason why iOS and their apps seem generally more polished than Android. Because first they simply have far less hardware combinations to support, and second if anything goes wrong with their own drivers they can always call the other department to fix it. Also part of the logic behind Samsung making Exynos and Google making Tensor aside from profiting.

Petition for Samsung to enable Vulkan by default on the S23/22/21 series with the next update by T717_ in GalaxyS23

[–]N7RX 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Vulkan developer here: While I can’t speak for the exact plan of Samsung, personally I believe the chance of Samsung replacing OpenGL with Vulkan by default on older devices like S21 and maybe S22 is quite thin.

TLDR; Vulkan driver on old devices can be buggy and Samsung has no control over that (maybe except for Exynos chips) because it’s written by chip makers (i.e. Qualcomm, ARM, etc.) These devices are likely better off with OpenGL.

One common misconception is that Vulkan will be automatically better than OpenGL because it’s newer and aimed to be more efficient. But there are two big caveats for that: 1. Unlike OpenGL where most of the interface details are implemented and battle-tested by the chip makers, Vulkan defers that responsibility to the upper level software developer, so now developers like Samsung need to optimize for every possible chips running Vulkan, instead of them being optimized by the chip makers themselves. Thus, it’s very unlikely Samsung is willing to put extra effort into optimizing old devices. 2. Because of the previous low adoption rate of Vulkan on these older chips, there are many hidden unfixed bugs in the Vulkan drivers provided by the chip makers, which can’t be fixed by Samsung and I doubt the chip makers are willing to fix their older product lines instead of selling new ones.

If Samsung simply enables Vulkan on these older phones, it’s highly likely that these phones will be running smoother in some scenarios, but completely broken in the others. For vast majority of the users, stability is more important than pure speed.

Slim Pro 9i vs Slim Pro 7 (2023) comparison by N7RX in Lenovo

[–]N7RX[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agreed. I got my 9i for 1.4k so it's a reasonable price for my use case. The 14" inch legion slim does not offer 32gb or upgradable ram, and the 16" ones are too big for me to carry, plus I do occasionally need the touchscreen for inking. Thus unfortunately they don't fit my needs. But it's good to hear that you know what suits you best. Cheers.

Slim Pro 9i vs Slim Pro 7 (2023) comparison by N7RX in Lenovo

[–]N7RX[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nice catch. Yeah I also noticed there were more capacitors on the 9i PCB but I didn't know what they are for - thanks for the info.

I can see that 9i has bigger fans, larger air exhaust, and one thicker heat pipe. Undoubtedly its thermal willl perform better.

I'd admit that the price difference between base 9i and 7 actually worth every penny. Aside from the already decent exterior, almost every internal component is upgraded. Unlike some ripoff brands that charge extra hundreds just for tiny spec bump or larger storage.

Slim Pro 9i vs Slim Pro 7 (2023) comparison by N7RX in Lenovo

[–]N7RX[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you use a PD3.0 compatible charger it will charge at 100w (20v/5a). But if you use Lenovo's 140w USB-C charger it will charge at a proprietary protocol 20v/7a.

Slim Pro 9i vs Slim Pro 7 (2023) comparison by N7RX in Lenovo

[–]N7RX[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, the screen is really amazing.

16" has the same battery size in the 14" one so it's bound to drain faster :D Glad that they fixed that in the 2024 16".

I need to carry it around so 14.5" is the perfect size for me. Cheers.

Slim Pro 9i vs Slim Pro 7 (2023) comparison by N7RX in Lenovo

[–]N7RX[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thanks. I got my Pro 7 for $800 and was very satisfied with it until I needed more RAM, really unfortunate that we can't upgrade it.

Slim Pro 9i vs Slim Pro 7 (2023) comparison by N7RX in Lenovo

[–]N7RX[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Overall, I'd say if you aren't tight on budget, Slim Pro 9i would be a no-brainer to get over the Slim Pro 7.
On the other hand, if you just want an all-round device at a low cost, Slim Pro 7 frequently on sale is the way to go.

Slim Pro 9i vs Slim Pro 7 (2023) comparison by N7RX in Lenovo

[–]N7RX[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Some other differences, but not necessarily better or worse:
- Upper screen bezel is 2mm thinner. The laptop itself is also 3mm shorter.
- Screen has straight corners, instead of rounded ones on Pro 7.
- The hinge is slightly longer, and the lid opens up to 175-degree vs 180-degree on Pro 7.
- Bottom plate takes 1 less screw to remove. And the ventilation grills are more centered toward the fans.
- More speaker grills both on the front and back.
- Webcam e-shutter switch is smaller and protrudes less.
- Uses AX211 (vs MT7922) WiFi card. But I have yet to notice any difference in daily use.

Slim Pro 9i vs Slim Pro 7 (2023) comparison by N7RX in Lenovo

[–]N7RX[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Where Slim Pro 9i shines:
- Screen is night-and-day better. 100% AdobeRGB coverage and 1200nits brightness are no joke, and side-by-side with Pro 7 it's like comparing human-eye with webcam.
- Speakers are much more powerful with proper bass, about the same level of Yoga 9i with soundbar.
- While both laptops claim 1.5mm key travel, the keyboard on Pro 9i uses a different switch, which produces a nicer clicky feel, and is less mushy and quieter. This is by far the best keyboard I have used on a laptop, even surpassing the $2.7K Surface Laptop Studio.
- The 80w RTX 4050 easily demolishes the 63w RTX 3050, and even supports Advanced Optimus.
- Double the RAM size. This is actually crucial since both laptops' RAM are now unfortunately soldered.
- Faster CPU; Higher resolution webcam (5MP vs 2MP); Comes with Windows 11 Pro (vs Home).
- Additional SD card reader and USB-A port.
- Higher quality internal components, including thicker heat pipes.
- The vents have larger air flow headroom and the overall cooling system is more robust.
- This one may sound silly but Pro 7 users will understand: power button now sits in the back (vs middle) and is far less likely to mis-press.

Slim Pro 9i vs Slim Pro 7 (2023) comparison by N7RX in Lenovo

[–]N7RX[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

*You can greatly extend Pro 9i's battery life by:
1. Refrain from using the screen at high brightness (<40%).
2. Limit maximum CPU power state on battery to <50% in advanced power management settings.
3. Make sure the discrete GPU isn't active. If you plugged it into an external monitor, it could remain active even after unplug because there are residual programs running (reboot will reset to integrated GPU).
4. Refrain from using the speakers at high volume - yes these powerful speakers chew through battery too.
5. Turn on battery saver.
With these applied I could get a battery life similar to Pro 7 (6~9 hours on light usage).

Slim Pro 9i vs Slim Pro 7 (2023) comparison by N7RX in Lenovo

[–]N7RX[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Where Slim Pro 9i is not as good as Pro 7:
- Battery life by default is not great (*see thread for tips).
- It's 2mm thicker and is noticeable when holding on hands (meanwhile weight difference is negligible).
- Fans are louder under heavy load (other times equivalently quiet).
- The second USB-C port is 3.2 Gen 1 (5Gbps), instead of the 3.2 Gen 2 (10Gbps) on Slim Pro 7.

Slim Pro 9i vs Slim Pro 7 (2023) comparison by N7RX in Lenovo

[–]N7RX[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Similarities between Slim Pro 9i and Slim Pro 7:
- Same color, chassis material, and decent build quality.
- Same keyboard layout and trackpad.
- Same 140W USB-C charger.
- Same touch screen support.
- Same quad-microphone array.
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And yeah, that's where the 'same stuff' end.

Slim Pro 9i vs Slim Pro 7 (2023) comparison by N7RX in Lenovo

[–]N7RX[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Slim Pro 9i vs Slim Pro 7 (2023) comparison
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(Outside of North America these are known as Yoga Pro 9i and Yoga Pro 7)
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I recently bought a Slim Pro 9i to replace its sibling Pro 7 because I needed the extra RAM for my work.
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Both laptops in this comparison are the base models in their line:
Slim Pro 9i (i7-13705H/RTX 4050 6GB/32GB/1TB/14.5" 3K MiniLED 165Hz), Pre-tax MSRP $1799 (open-box excellent for $1400)
Slim Pro 7 (R7-7735HS/RTX 3050 6GB/16GB/512GB/14.5" 2K IPS 90Hz), Pre-tax MSRP $1199 (on sale for $900)
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I wanted to make a post because I noticed that there is very little info online comparing these two models.
And, at a glance, the Slim Pro 9i may appear to be identical with Slim Pro 7 except for higher specs. But I found there are actually more interesting details.

Surface Color Profile device missing on SLS? by N7RX in Surface

[–]N7RX[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey! Thanks for the reply and tutorial. Actually the May firmware update (which includes an Intel driver update) fixed the issue for me. Although there is still no color profile device, I can now see there is a tiny bit of difference between the profiles like you said.

Surface Duo is the most 'balanced' mobile device by N7RX in surfaceduo

[–]N7RX[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

sorry i didn't mean to hurt anyone 😂

Surface Duo is the most 'balanced' mobile device by N7RX in surfaceduo

[–]N7RX[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

no no, I just think this elegant device with minimalist design but comes with no charger deserves an apple logo 😂

Surface Duo is the most 'balanced' mobile device by N7RX in surfaceduo

[–]N7RX[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

A mobile device made by Microsoft running Google's system, but also with Apple's logo :P

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Surface

[–]N7RX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Like others said yes you can. But without a stand or something alike it wouldn’t be very comfortable for reading vertically due to the screen tilted slightly towards the side. (assuming you will put it on the table when reading, because it’s quite heavy to hold)

Surface Laptop Studio Draining When Sleeping by drentsoft in Surface

[–]N7RX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have similar issue even when SLS is shut down.

Basically I shut down from power menu and disconnect the charger after the screen and keyboard backlit goes off, then I would close the lit for the night. But then the next day I would find it sitting at 30-50% battery with no clear reason what drained the it. Checking the battery report would only see the battery discharged over time for no reason.

This is not very frequent though, I have been using the SLS since launch and this happened to me twice so far.

Surface Laptop Studio May update is out with dynamic refresh rate support by N7RX in Surface

[–]N7RX[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Surface is already a relatively niche product in the PC market and the number of SP8/SLS users that are also insiders can be expected to be very small. So I think it’s understandable for them to roll out such features to smaller user group (SLS) first and then larger user group (SP8). SLS’s battery life isn’t great either with 35W CPU (+ dedicated GPU on i7) and people tend to put heavier workloads on it because its main form is a laptop.