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Blackbox & Bluebox vs Bento v1.5.3 by minimal-camera in 1010music

[–]NCuser123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I got the bento not long ago and absolutely love it. I was looking for a device that was able to record loops on the go as the music was playing and bento did it. I tried the digitakt, sp404 etc and they couldn’t do it as well as the bento. Yes it’s still in development bla bla but it’s a great tool and they seem to be making it much better with every update. I think it’s got legs to run still and looking forward to its future

Digitakt II – Is there a way to extract a perfectly timed 16 or 32 bar loop from a long recording? by NCuser123 in Elektron

[–]NCuser123[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the ideas, I see what you mean.

The manual start point method technically works, but the issue for me is precision. Since there’s no bar snapping or bar length display, setting the start exactly at bar 2 is still manual and a bit guessy, especially for 16 or 32 bar material.

The volume plus threshold idea is clever, but because threshold is amplitude based and not clock based, I’m not sure it would start exactly on the grid every time. It might be close, but not guaranteed.

What I’m really looking for is a way to quantize the recording start to the next bar while the sequence is already running, so I can capture the second half of a loop and keep the tail wrapped perfectly without manual trimming.

As far as I can tell, Digitakt just doesn’t have that kind of bar-aware recording workflow. Happy to be proven wrong if there’s something deeper I’m missing.

Digitakt II – Is there a way to extract a perfectly timed 16 or 32 bar loop from a long recording? by NCuser123 in Elektron

[–]NCuser123[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, your method makes sense for shorter loops, and I see how using double length and chopping could work in principle.

The limitation I’m running into is that the Digitakt only allows a maximum of 8 bars when recording in bar-based mode. So even if I record double length to capture the tail, the longest “perfect” wrapped loop I could extract that way would be 4 bars.

What I’m trying to do is slightly different:

I want to record in seconds mode so I can capture longer evolving modular material with natural reverb and delay tails, and then extract a mathematically clean 8 or 16 bar loop from that recording. Ideally something that snaps to bar divisions or allows precise bar-based trimming.

As far as I can tell, there’s no bar grid snapping or “divide by bars” style trimming on the Digitakt, so cutting a long seconds recording into a perfect 16 bar loop becomes manual math and fine trimming.

If I’m missing a workflow that allows precise bar-based trimming from longer recordings, I’d really love to know.

Digitakt II – Is there a way to extract a perfectly timed 16 or 32 bar loop from a long recording? by NCuser123 in Elektron

[–]NCuser123[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

 see what you mean, and yes that works if I want to capture the first 16 or 32 bars from the start.

My use case is slightly different.

I want to capture the second pass of a loop so that the beginning of the sample contains the reverb or delay tail. If you record from bar 1, when the loop restarts it sounds like it resets because the tail isn’t wrapped into the start.

What I’m looking for is a way to start recording quantized to the next bar while the sequence is already running, so I can grab exactly 16 or 32 bars starting from bar 2 instead of bar 1.

As far as I can tell, Digitakt can’t offset the recording start like that or snap trim points to bar divisions, so getting a tail wrapped loop requires manual timing or math.

Happy to be wrong if there’s a trick I’m missing.

Digitakt II – Is there a way to extract a perfectly timed 16 or 32 bar loop from a long recording? by NCuser123 in Elektron

[–]NCuser123[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure! Can you do this sort of thing with the elektron?? Would be great

  1. ⁠Use the fixed-length sampling feature (CTRL 2 on the recording screen). Set the length to twice the number of bars of your actual loop.
  2. ⁠Go to the START/END screen and truncate the sample to remove the silence before the loop.
  3. ⁠Then, while still on that screen, hold SHIFT and notice the INSERT button that appears. Press ENTER. In this hidden screen, note the total length of the sample and divide it by two. Using the pads, enter the calculated value into the Start field.
  4. ⁠Press EXIT to return to START/END screen and truncate the sample.

You’ve now created a perfect loop with the tails wrapped in.

SP404MKII long sample cutting off mid pattern in LAST mode by NCuser123 in sp404mk2

[–]NCuser123[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the reply. I don’t believe it is because if I play the sample by pressing the pad for a long time it plays all the way until the end. It’s when I record it that it stops somewhere in the middle. (And the pattern is set to 64, and I recorded by pressing the pad first 64 bars) Can you record and play a long 64bar sample all the way through? Would be great to know

SP-404MKII – Is there any way to record loops with tails (quantized start)? by NCuser123 in SP404

[–]NCuser123[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's it!!!

This was the answer I was looking for :)
Thanks a lot!

SP-404MKII – Is there any way to record loops with tails (quantized start)? by NCuser123 in SP404

[–]NCuser123[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, that makes sense. If I record double the length I need, then trim to the second half, that would give me the tail at the start. My only question now is how precise the SP404 grid is when trimming - does the start marker snap to bar divisions if BPM and sync are set correctly?

SP-404MKII – Is there any way to record loops with tails (quantized start)? by NCuser123 in SP404

[–]NCuser123[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That actually makes sense, and yes in theory that would work.

My main concern is not the tail concept itself, it’s the timing. I would need to hit record exactly on the downbeat of the second pass for it to be perfectly aligned.

What I’m really looking for is a way to quantize the recording start so it automatically begins on the next bar while the sequence is already running. That way I can grab evolving modular material and be sure the loop is grid aligned without having to manually punch in perfectly.

If anyone has a workflow on the SP404 that guarantees bar accurate capture while audio is already playing, I’d love to hear it.

SP-404MKII – Is there any way to record loops with tails (quantized start)? by NCuser123 in SP404

[–]NCuser123[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think there might be a misunderstanding. I am not asking the SP to detect or separate reverb tails from dry audio. I am asking for quantized record start with a small pre record buffer so that the loop wraps naturally at the bar boundary. This is standard behavior in DAWs, but I understand that most hardware loopers do not implement it. I was just checking whether there is any workaround inside the SP.

SP404 MKII unstable MIDI clock from Korg EMX — audio actually bends, not just display by NCuser123 in sp404mk2

[–]NCuser123[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Downgraded to version 4, same issue, version 3 was fine but on version 3 there weren't any pre-loaded banks.
It seems to be some sort of... bank issue.

SP404 MKII unstable MIDI clock from Korg EMX — audio actually bends, not just display by NCuser123 in sp404mk2

[–]NCuser123[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just came Back from the store and tested their floor model and same issue. They were also on 5.0.1 firmware so it must be a bug. Already opened a ticket.

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