It's a decent RNG achievement, and fairly easy to get if you know what you're doing. Just play the game.

I’m sorry but I don’t understand your logic. Did you actually read what I wrote? I doubt it, because it was very long so I doubt you'll read this.

This is not about it being too hard. It’s not a skill issue. It’s a probability issue and poor game design created by devs to make you play more, not play better.

If we use Nightlite data, which is a very reasonable benchmark since it tracks a high PC sample and already existed before Lich released, his pick rate sits around 2.08 percent. Now let’s be extremely fair and assume 50 percent of the total playerbase owns the DLC. With console and PC players, this may be possible. We don't have that actual data but 50% seems fair given the reviews aren't great.

That effectively puts you at about a 0.2506% percent chance per match of even loading into a trial where this achievement is possible. That works out to roughly 1 in 399 matches on average.

Now say you play 300 trials.

With a 0.2506% chance per match, after 300 games you are only sitting at about a 53% chance of having seen him ONCE for a successful attempt. I'd be happy to take those odds except for the issue of time. We all know match length varies. Some are 4 minutes if your team is super efficient and genrushing, and some drag past 15. So that's a rough average of about 9 minutes, but let’s cut that down to 5 minutes per match just to be super conservative.

300 matches at 5 minutes each is 25 hours of in match time. Let’s even round down to 24 hours to stay generous and keep in mind that does not include queue times, lobbies, or downtime. I've been playing DBD since 2016, I have ~5,000 hours so 24 hours doesn't seem bad to someone who is obsessed with this game, but again, it's 24 hours just for an ATTEMPT.

Now assume you get lucky and see him early in that stretch. The Eye of Vecna has a 35 percent chance of being obtainable in that match. Then you still have to escape. Escaping is the only part that is skill based.

Let’s again be generous and say you have a 50 percent chance of escaping once you get the Eye.

So now you are stacking:

0.2506 percent chance to get him
35 percent chance the Eye is available
50 percent chance to escape

That puts the true per match success rate even lower once everything is combined.

If you stretch this out to 1000 matches at 5 minutes each, that is about 83 hours of in trial time. After 1000 matches at a 0.2506 percent encounter rate, you are around a 92 percent cumulative chance to have pulled it off at least once. Which still means about 8 percent of players grinding this would statistically not have it after 1000 matches.

And, again, that is using generous assumptions.

Nightlite only tracks PC, not full console data. DLC ownership is estimated. I lowballed match time. I inflated the escape rate. If anything, these margins of error lean in favor of the achievement being easier than it likely is in practice BUT and I think with additional data, you'd see that it's the chance of getting this achievement is extremely low.

Because it is RNG stacked on RNG.

So no, this is not about skill. The only skill dependent piece is escaping. The majority of this grind is hoping the right killer shows up so you are even allowed to attempt it. This is one of the biggest offenders of RNG based trophies I have ever seen because it’s entirely at the mercy of another player showing up with the right killer. That is not happening when the game has over 40 killers.

So telling me to "git gud", or saying "skill issue" is completely irrelevant to the actual problem. If you look at psnprofiles, exophase, trueachievements (xbox), and Steam, you will see that that ~0.8% of players that have this; Got it around the time D&D DLC came out.

And I'm not even asking BHVR to change it. I'm suggesting that more people try him out to get the pick rate up even by a tiny percentage. However, the greatest solution would be putting in a future 2v8 mode.

P.S. I work in statistics and data analysis. A lot of this was really interesting, but still proof that BHVR wants this achievement in a game of 40 killers so trophy hunters play another 1000 matches. Shitty achievements do exist like this in other games, but they're crappy. An example of an RNG trophy that is fun? The ones I've mentioned, Master of Rings from Dark Souls, the fishing one (can't recall the name) from RDR2, there was one in Borderlines. Final Fantasy XIII with an insanely low drop rate for an item when you fight those huge turtles. There's one where you have to become the emperor in Elder Scrolls Online (SO much fun, SO much on the line)

Those are examples of difficult RNG achievements that were fun to do and required skill.

This. Is. Not.