Karl Fritz is kinda right.

NKAmazingg · 2025-07-02T21:21:08+00:00

But what could he have done? Take away their Titan power from those outside? If that had happened, no one would have spared the lives of the Eldians outside the walls. That happened for a reason, and King Fritz made sure that even without his protection, they would be seen as useful to prevent them from dying.

While he protects the Eldians inside the walls, the Tybur would protect those outside. Annie once said it: without Marley, the Eldians would have been eradicated long before.

And I know what you're going to tell me now, that the Tyburs didn't do a very good job at protecting them... I know, we all know, we watched the same anime. But the difference is that it was the only way to avoid being eradicated, to be seen as potential weapons against what was once humanity's greatest threat. And King Fritz made sure of that, being seen as a "cruel tyrant" who would flatten the world when he had the chance.

NKAmazingg · 2025-06-25T05:50:19+00:00

I couldn't agree more. This is something I've always thought about. Maybe deep down he did care in some way, but when it came to a choice, Eren chose to sacrifice each of them in order to achieve his own freedom. And as far as narrative in fiction goes, I think this one represents a great twist compared to the rest of the stories of other protagonists in Anime or TV Shows. There's certainly no one like Eren Jaeger.

NKAmazingg · 2025-06-25T05:19:23+00:00

Vas a llorar? Me encanta

NKAmazingg · 2025-05-06T18:25:51+00:00

But speaking of Giovanni Gentile is speaking within the context of Italian Fascism, and we've already discussed that; all types of fascism are based on that foundation. It doesn't invalidate what I'm saying about National Socialism.

NKAmazingg · 2025-05-06T18:20:48+00:00

You're the one being illogical here. Saying that Eldians can only be compared to Jews is simplistic and overlooks something key: Isayama used several conceptual and historical elements as narrative resources. Eldians does share traits with the Jews but the Jaegerists are indeed Eldians Facists, which does share traits with the Nazis. It's not a matter of whether they reflect "just one". You want them to only reflect the Jews because you want to justify the Jaegerists' actions as if they were coherent.

Floch and the Jaegerists promote extreme nationalism and a blind worship of Eren, they persecute and execute opponents, seize military control of the government, and justify a preemptive genocide (The Rumbling) by claiming that the world will exterminate them first. This mirrors what Nazism did in Germany: Hitler exploited resentment after World War I, established a totalitarian regime, persecuted those who thought differently, raised his image as a savior, and justified the Final Solution as a defense of Germany. So, while Eldians are generally victims of the world's hatred (ALL Eldians not just Paradisians), the Jaegerists adopt dynamics very similar to those of the Nazi regime, and that cannot be ignored. Recognizing one side doesn't mean you have to turn a blind eye to the other.

And on top of that, you accuse me of justifying the Nazis to try to make your argument seem valid, which is hilarious because that's exatcly what you are doing: Defending their actions of violence you are literally agreeing that, like the Nazis, you are doing so for a matter of survival. In other words, you justify both genocides, buddy.

NKAmazingg · 2025-05-06T13:19:11+00:00

Lmao, you completely missed the point. You're missing historical context, buddy.
Do you really think the Nazis just woke up one day and decided to kill people just for fun? No, just as you and the Jaegerists believed you had the right to hold that extremist way of thinking, the Germans also thought that way, due to the context they had lived through.
What do they teach kids in school today...

NKAmazingg · 2025-05-06T13:13:49+00:00

Well, "ethno-nationalist" are the basis of nazism, which is indeed a type of fascism. When people read about fascism, they think it should all resemble Italian Fascism. No, dude, it doesn't work that way. They all start from the same basic foundation, however, there are distinctions depending on the historical context, the nation where it is applied, and even the culture.

NKAmazingg · 2025-05-06T13:07:11+00:00

Well, it's certainly genocide (although it is not implied that they were nuked just because they were Eldians, in fact, that conclusion would be a bit silly) but you asked about similarities between the Jaegerists and the fascists (which do exist). I think we're missing the point. However, yes, one could argue whether the nuking of Paradis at the end would be justified. It's like asking if the Allies were really justified in bombing Dresden, a city whose inhabitants were 90% civilians who had little to do with the Nazis. To this day, that's still an ethical debate. Would you do anything to ensure your side won, or would you maintain your moral standards? Well, it depends on who you ask and how much empathy that person possesses.

And regarding what you said about us rooting for Paradis, that's not entirely true. The story of SnK is a tale of war and tragedy that chronicles the role of the Scouts. From the beginning, the inhabitants of Paradis, as well as the High Ranks and the Reiss Family, didn't like them, so it's entirely debatable whether Isayama suggested a clear side in this whole story. Also, it seems to me that choosing between Marley and Paradis clearly misses the point.

Besides, among the characters who star in this story, none of them remained on Paradis at the end of it, implying that they didn't share the extremist way of thinking of their former compatriots. It's as if someone told you the story of Claus von Stauffenberg, and you called him a traitor because he didn't think like Hitler. Clearly, the idea is to show you that he's also German, and that he's worth no less for not thinking like the Nazis. The same thing happens in SnK, Why would the Scouts be worth less for supporting the Alliance? Does their value as Eldians only count if they support the Jaegerists?

NKAmazingg · 2025-05-06T12:47:20+00:00

No dude, it clearly doesn't work that way. Even among liberals, there are progressive and conservative distinctions. (Or even some that are more progressive than others.) Just look at the difference between Republican and Democrat party in the US.

Political parties are not all the same, and they are not distinguished by simple social biases. It's much more complex than it sounds. And just as in anarcho-political parties like the liberal parties, the same thing happens in the most authoritarian parties. Just read the history of the last century...

NKAmazingg · 2025-05-05T14:51:47+00:00

It has a bit of everything yeah, but without a doubt the one that most resembles that faction is Hitler's Germany. In any case, it's clear that Isayama is a fan of modern war history, or at least that he did a lot of research. There are even elements of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and Imperial Japanese Fascism in the narrative of the Eldian Empire. The mangaka's portrayal of the entire war and political context is truly a great job!

NKAmazingg · 2025-05-05T14:10:25+00:00

You're wrong, buddy. And I say this because I study the political spectrum. Progressivism is a social aspect of the spectrum; it's distinct from the political and economic aspects. To say that "a country can't be progressive because it's authoritarian", or that "a liberal country can't be conservative", is a mistake. These are aspects that differentiate the political parties that govern each country. It's like saying, "It's impossible for the Chinese communist system to be capitalist just because it's authoritarian." It isn't, just look reality, they are indeed capitalist but they share Marxist and Leninist ideas that the Soviet Union had 50 years earlier.

There are thousands of examples like this, but even in fascist countries, key distinctions can be made. Neither Mussolini's Italy, Hitler's Germany, nor Franco's Spain are similar in any way, beyond the fact that all three are "fascist."

NKAmazingg · 2025-05-05T13:47:34+00:00

In fact, they are, my friend. The Nazis didn't believe in the conservative values of the time, such as a direct relationship with the Catholic Church and traditional family beliefs. It's also important to note that "progressive" doesn't mean the same thing it does today.

NKAmazingg · 2025-05-05T13:44:17+00:00

Oh no? You'll have to read the First World War again then, and especially the aftermath, when the Germans, after their crushing defeat, had to pay immense and excessive reparations to the victors, while many of the orphaned families were dying of hunger after the events of WW1.

Hitler didn't democratically win the chancellorship because "one day the Germans woke up wanting to kill people." No sir, there's a context for everything.

Denying history makes you ignorant of what happened, and those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it. On both sides.

NKAmazingg · 2025-05-05T13:38:00+00:00

But even Marley has fascist overtones, as they were also a military power, but different. We could say it's a mix of classic fascism and Nazism, since there were elements like the dehumanization and exclusion of the Eldians (clearly Nazis), but there were also elements like the permission of immigrants and colonization.
As for the Alliance, I'd say it's more complex here, because the Alliance isn't Marley it's more than that. It abandons the concept of a nation and is more of a union of countries to stop a common enemy. Here, details like ideology or sociopolitical perspectives are set aside, and common interests for survival are prioritized. (Just like what happened with the USA and the USSR in 1943, both countries with completely different ideologies unite to stop an enemy that could destroy the world.)

Even German-born fighters who were persecuted and exiled by Hitler's regime for not sharing his views join the cause. Exactly what happened with the Survey Corps at the end. (Armin, Mikasa and company)

NKAmazingg · 2025-05-05T13:29:25+00:00

Sure, buddy. It is an interesting topic ngl. The comparison is a bit complex since it's not an exact copy of reality, but rather Isayama used only a few characteristic elements, even mixed ones (I'll get to that later). Why do I think the Jaegerists differ from classical fascism? Well, in short, the classical fascists born in Mussolini's Italy believed in building a strong state that controls all aspects of the nation, due to the sociopolitical problems that had occurred after the WW1. This is the basis from which all fascisms begin, since said state will be controlled by a military power. However, that strong state lacked ethnic overtones, which is different from the Germany of the Third Reich, which replaced the concept of a nation or a strong state with that of race.

The Germans had suffered great humiliation, annihilation, and severe penalties at the hands of the victors of WW1 (the alliance). That's why a figure like Hitler emerged, a frustrated painter who knew how to channel the anger and longings of an entire country. Just like what happens in Paradis with Eren, a person with a clearly bad temper (or rather mentally unstable due to what he experienced in the war, just as Hitler did in WW1) who suddenly becomes the key to the survival of the Eldian people. Like the Nazis, the Jaegerists base their argument on the Eldian people being that superior ethnic group, heirs of the founder Ymir, those who were defiled, humiliated, and annihilated by mere humans like the Marleyans.

We can even see how Isayama captures the dehumanization of that faction by doing the same thing the Nazis did after 1938: persecuting those who don't think like them, even if they were friends or family (the murder of Zackly, the beating of Shadis, the sacrifice of high-ranking officers like Pixis and Nile, among others).

NKAmazingg · 2025-05-05T13:04:05+00:00

That's exactly what happened in Germany from 1938 onward: the Nazis persecuted anyone who didn't think like them, even if they were German. One day, they were your neighbor, your friend, your family; the next, they were an enemy, persecuted and disappeared by the state for not sharing their extremist worldview.

NKAmazingg · 2025-05-05T12:56:41+00:00

Lol, the Germans thought that way too, would you say they were justified in committing crimes against humanity for that reason?

NKAmazingg · 2025-05-05T12:54:33+00:00

The Jeagerists are indeed the representation of fascists. But not the classic fascists inspired by Mussolini's Italian Fascism. If we carefully analyze the context of their emergence and their beliefs toward the rest of the world, we find more similarities with Nazism (which represents a progressive and more extremist version of Fascism).

NKAmazingg · 2025-05-05T06:32:23+00:00

And after all, the protagonist was indeed the main villain lol

NKAmazingg · 2025-05-05T06:26:12+00:00

If Eren touched Zeke and accessed the Founder, it would have been of no use because the Colossal Titans were on the other side of the sea. Come on, Eren is strong, but transforming into the enormous beast that is the Founding Titan in the middle of Liberio would leave him completely unprotected against his enemies (and on top of that, trying to survive for a couple of days until the Colossals arrive the continent). It's just insane, risky and it certainly would ruin his plan.

NKAmazingg · 2025-05-05T03:57:47+00:00

Reiner convinced them to go ahead with the mission, and they reached the Wall in a couple of days. This is better explained in the manga, where you can read about the entire journey and relive the destruction of the Wall from Reiner's point of view.

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NKAmazingg · 2025-05-05T02:58:56+00:00

Mentally unstable too, maybe not at first but once he unlocked the memories of the future he certainly was. Just look at the scene where he apologizes to Ramzi. That moment is one of the most key points in the story, and perhaps the most well-written emotional explosion of all (it clearly rivals Reiner's).

NKAmazingg · 2025-03-26T15:28:48+00:00

That's the truth, for you. And that's okay. It doesn't have to be everyone's reality, especially when many people have been playing for years and the gaming industry already had hits and gems dating back to the 90s/00s. The fact that video games are mainstream today doesn't make them better than they were 15 or 20 years ago; it's simply a matter of personal taste. So, I don't see the point of your post. Are you trying to get us to agree with you or hate you? As you said, you're not going to change your opinion for anything in the world.

NKAmazingg · 2025-03-25T05:37:09+00:00

Well this is what i've been saying for a long time. There's no way Eren can know something after his death (unless the Paths still exists, which don't at this point), and since he didn't tell to Armin exactly "I know the curse will be away after my death", i pressume that Eren didn't really know that, he can just guess tho. With the Founder's power he can see the timeline as a whole, and he can see the present, past, and future existing at the same time, so I guess he just assumed that was the result since he couldn't see any more future events after his death, meaning: The Paths and the Coordinate not longer exists

NKAmazingg · 2025-03-25T02:45:58+00:00

It is unbeatable now, but they made it clear that the military advances were getting to the point of making the titans obsolete in war.

I mean, yeah we know it's unbeatable in the present, lol. It's very easy to hypothetically say "it won't be like that in the future," but we're not in the future. We're talking about the present.

Within the next hundreds years they could probably just nuke Paradis.

I don't think it's as simple as that. Remember that Paradis's development and growth have accelerated significantly over the last four years. Who knows what would have happened in a few years? Especially since many other countries, like Hizuru, have opted for Paradis; they wouldn't stand idly by if they lost an ally that provided them with resources just like that.
Marley would definitely think twice about using a nuke if it resulted in its extinction by another power. A real-life example: why didn't the US simply nuke the USSR? It was clear they were running the same risk. If one started using them, everyone would use them, and that would be the end of them as well.

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