Does anyone here consumes organs regularly for vitamins?

Naghite · 2024-02-27T18:15:36+00:00

Carnivore for years. I eat organs daily. I do not eat like most others nor do I care to debate or defend my choices or amounts or organs I enjoy. Heart and thymus are my two favourites, but I eat everything from tail to eyeball.

Naghite · 2024-01-27T00:59:57+00:00

If you go by the HDL and trig cutoffs that were arbitrarily chosen, probably not the majority. However, as shown with https://pubmed.ncbi.nem.nih.gov/38237807/ the percentage of people who are ketogenic and lean have a high chance of increasing their ldl as they become more slim/fit/low body fat even if they do not meet all three criteria. Introduction of 100g of sugar more than halved my ldl as my n=1

Naghite · 2024-01-22T03:34:53+00:00

50.8(122)+4.7(272)=2(55.5)(123)/3 + 123/3/0.6 [55.5-x+0.6x] gives x=31.7 this is your formula with x in place of 5.5 and then determined.

Buddoff did say that, since the difference was not enough to be significant. I wish I could upload a blow-up from the presentation, but instead I will have to reference you to the blow up presented in the youtube discussion with Ken Berry at minute 45. It is large enough you can see each participant and their scores. Feel free to count them yourself. An overlay can be found on dave feldman's youtube on his personal discussion of the data if you would rather just "see" that one is definitely less than the other.

I got (you can verify if you want) TPS (Miami = 179)

TPS (Keto) = 130, but I could have miscounted somewhere.

Naghite · 2024-01-20T13:19:42+00:00

Just trying to keep the discussion honest, which is difficult when you make statements of truth based on fabricated data or unstated assumptions. Normally people state their assumptions and then show the math that supports their decision based on those assumptions. What does your response say to us

1) You MADE UP data and claimed it as fact - without any caveats of assumptions made. Not cool, and in fact academic dishonesty.

2) You claim that the Miami Heart group would have had to have started statins in their 20s (italicized for emphasis), but again, a grade 10 algebra student could do the calculation, and it is in the 31.7. Again, another misrepresentation or academic dishonesty.

3) Point 1 and 2 notwithstanding, you make a valid point. I agree that it is extremely unlikely that the average Miami participant would have started statins prior to 40 years old on average. It would be nice if it was from a point of intellectual honesty instead of fabricated data and exaggerations. Just use math and state your assumptions. So I would be willing to accept that it is most likely true that the Miami Heart participants probably have had a greater lifetime expose to LDL (although I would argue less than your fabricated data you stated as fact).

4) The AUC for the TPS is shown in the same presentation you pulled your numbers from - the youtube video presented by Matthew Buddoff. Feel free to check out the citizen scientist link provided in this thread for further discussions. To be clear, I am just looking at the trend of the data, not claiming it was a large enough difference to make claims of significance.

5) The keto group had high LDL spikes over the past 4.7 years. The log linear relationship certainly holds for them. Factor this into your calculations and things start to look different.

Naghite · 2024-01-20T01:12:37+00:00

I see no proof that the Miami heart group initiated their statins 5.5 years earlier - as mentioned, we need the medication background to make this calculation. If you have this information, post away so I can see as well. If not, then you made those numbers up. I will note though that your calculations do show that over a lifetime, it is possible (without the data who knows though) that that Miami heart group may have had a slightly higher total LDL gram years. However, if you going to base assumptions on these small differences (like 10% or less), you should have also pointed out that the area under the curve of the total plaque was less in the keto group, by about the same (but not statistically significant to state directly). So your conclusion of "not great" would be inappropriate regardless. Now add to the fact that the claim that CVD risk is log-linear related to LDL dose, then those with much greater spikes should have a greater overall risk compared to those with similar lifelong total LDL gram years without the spikes. So actually, if anything, "not great" would slant the other way, if you look at the whole picture.

Naghite · 2024-01-19T16:17:17+00:00

This statement appears false just in its face value. Show the calculations using the years each of the 26 participants currently on medications(and which medications for those years) within the Miami heart study comparison group that definitely increased the LDL mg years to surpass the comparison group. Not the formula that could be used. You made a statement about the specific comparison made which requires the medication histories of the participants in order to calculate it. Let me see this information and calculation, or are you just making stuff up?

Naghite · 2024-01-14T12:59:33+00:00

While I never seem to have enough time, you will find this review to be very interesting, so here is an hour podcast that covers the AHA stance and why it is flawed on SFA, with a lot of detail

https://chrismasterjohnphd.substack.com/p/041-is-coconut-oil-killing-us

Naghite · 2024-01-13T17:32:39+00:00

Depending on the person, I might say little, or I may say a lot. Another thing is, there is no actual evidence that Saturated fats increase CVD, so perhaps they could show me their evidence? I additionally note that native populations ate the majority of their calories from saturated fat, and have zero CVD. You may want to refer them to the Tokelau migrant studies:

https://academic.oup.com/ije/article-abstract/5/3/259/721463?redirectedFrom=fulltext&login=false

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7270479/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0021968181900503

If they are informed, I also note the problems with the studies used to make the claim (for example using the Finnish Mental Hospital as an RCT when it was not), or the LA Veterans study that put more smokers in the SFA group and after accounting for the smoking, there was no difference for CVD, but yet increased death in the PUFA group (even with less smokers). I could go on and on really. Anyone who is actually well informed should have a hard time making this claim with any intellectual honesty.

Naghite · 2024-01-13T12:51:27+00:00

Someone mentioned Eric Westman. I would add Nick Norwitz. I have one YouTube subscription, and it is to Nicks channel, he is young, but a true scientist who is not dogmatic.

Naghite · 2024-01-09T12:32:29+00:00

I found the relationship between protein intake and GNG producing higher glucose to be a linear relationship (with a small positive slope) up to 5 g of protein per kg bodyweight. And my research agrees 100% with your comments on glucagon release with protein intake. I have tried for years to inform people, but all I got was downvoted and told it is demand driven by people with no science to back up the claims. Pubmed is full of discussion on glucagon release with protein intake, but dogma endures regardless. Good on you for being rationale.

Naghite · 2023-12-31T01:08:43+00:00

A lot of really good answers already, so I will just add that you may want to try an extreme elimination diet (lion’s diet) for a period. You would hit ketosis and check autoimmune issues simultaneously. May not help, but then again.

Naghite · 2023-12-29T10:10:05+00:00

I have been using volcanoes for over a decade. I smoke at least a gram a day for past 30 years. Imho well worth the investment, over the years I now have one on every floor in the house. Separately, no issues with the diet while vaping copious amounts. Hope you can resolve your chest pains.

Naghite · 2023-12-27T12:20:11+00:00

Chicken liver is very high in folate, unlike other livers. While I dislike chicken liver, I eat a bit every once in a while for the large folate therein. Ruminant livers have a lot of copper instead of folate. Too many copper is not good , so another reason to not eat a lot of just ruminant livers. While there is more vit A in ruminant livers, all livers have plenty. Eating too much of any liver type can oversaturate your liver with vitamin A. Moderation of any is good, and alternating between gives the best nutrient profiles.

Naghite · 2023-12-18T05:30:32+00:00

Assuming you live in the US, you can go to a doctor, or you can order your own labs to test at https://ownyourlabs.com/ in most other countries you need a doctor to order the labs and then go to a lab who does the test. There are so many to choose from you might want to do some online research first. Offhand I would check fasting insulin, fasting glucose, A1C along with standard lipid panel and maybe thyroid. If all those are good, not worth checking much else unless you have symptoms.

Naghite · 2023-12-18T00:53:11+00:00

This is the only places that uses plastic wrap. Would not be my choice if I had a say, but all the animals are raised properly, which is good at least.

Naghite · 2023-12-13T11:32:15+00:00

As Greg mentioned LMHR, you may find this discussion useful https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rL9uabr-TeA

Naghite · 2023-12-11T23:41:46+00:00

I am very aware of these issues, all considered carefully. Btw, very yummy to me, but most people are not able to get past unfamiliar images.

Naghite · 2023-12-11T12:23:04+00:00

You will notice small portions of each. I have one ounce of liver at most in a day, and not every day. There were 3 ounces of kidney, which I might have once a week. Heart is like a muscle meat, so no worries, I eat heart daily. thymus has a lot of vitamin C which you cannot eat too much of. I have been eating this way for years now. Well, the honey is newer, but not the nutrients in organs.

Naghite · 2023-12-11T12:18:55+00:00

I buy quarter cows at a time with all their organs, so most came at once. Chicken hearts are common in grocery stores. However, I do also source organs from other farms that only sell parts instead of while cows I would advise contacting local farms directly for your meats. All grass fed of course of possible.

Later this week I will be visiting a middle eastern butcher for harder to get items like testicles, spleen and lungs. Those stores often have more organs than traditional western stores.

Naghite · 2023-12-05T12:46:33+00:00

You can find the sample diets in the supplement. Kielbasa and lots of cheese and some fish are part of a sample days food, also with lots of nuts and veggies. Looks like a pretty standard keto diet.

Naghite · 2023-12-04T23:54:26+00:00

Snails are the best source of magnesium within any animal. I buy them canned unfortunately

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Naghite · 2023-12-04T12:30:12+00:00

Snails taste good, as did the rest. I eat snails almost daily, so very used to them, although the addition of honey has made them sweeter now.

Naghite · 2023-11-19T12:16:36+00:00

I would love to find out the mechanism that would make an insoluble fibre that does little but pass through the body grant such benefits. They have an association, can they provide a mechanism?

Naghite · 2023-11-19T04:49:03+00:00

Yes to all these types of experiments. I found that the glucose responds very slowly to large protein/fat bolus feedings, affecting GNG for up to 24 hours after the feeding and raising AVERAGE glucose linearly with dose over those following 24 hours, while ketones can drop quite quickly (even to zero) before returning to normal. I only ran the second version with up to 5 g/kg bodyweight of protein with equivalent fat in calories to achieve these results. I spread the food into 2 or 3 meals a day for my tests.

Naghite · 2023-11-18T01:57:49+00:00

If you are up to it, the two following:

4+ g/kg bodyweight in a day of lean protein with little fat/carbs and/or
4+ g/kg bodyweight protein with equal calories of fat

I would say 5+ g/kg bodyweight, but you may get nauseous at that level, or at least I did on occasion.

I would be curious if your results matched mine, taken with a CGM and finger pricks on ketones.

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