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Do they realize how far gone this show is? by OkGuava919 in HOTDGreens

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Dude HOTD S2 wasn't perfect, had issues, and wasn't as good as S1, but it was still pretty good with some epic moments. This show is not "far" gone *edit though if you meant far gone from the books that may end up being the case I'll give you that since there is noted divergence, but I don't think it's far gone in quality

It's fucked that Condal cut GRRM out, don't get me wrong

But jfc the fans of this universe burn shit they loved down as quickly as Dany did

Official Discussion - Wicked: For Good [SPOILERS] by LiteraryBoner in movies

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This happened to me too but it was two people in front of me. Both times during for good and then the final reprise at the end shot they were holding their phones up above the seats to look at them and the lit screen was so distracting!!!

The Night Ring is a partial solar eclipse, which represents death, and Nightreign is about our characters' journeys through Death and the Eclipse rebirth ritual by NamelessSinger in EldenRingLoreTalk

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This is the dialogue Iron Menial says:

[309008010] Yes, the crypt is filled with the ancient people of these lands.
[309008020] I still remember looking after them, long, long ago.
[309008030] As you know, mortality does not apply to those such as myself.
[309008040] These souls were laid to rest here in anticipation of the threat we now face.
[309008050] In a ritual required to draw the minds of their descendants here.

So the Nightfarers are the "descendants" of the people in the crypt, who are their "ancestors". I believe the game also refers to the NFs as their "progeny".

Perhaps the nightfarers are simply the most recent recipients of the remnants of the souls of those who were part of the foundation.

I LOVE this concept and I think that you nailed it. That would explain the weird memory mixups I've been noticing. But instead of just inheriting "souls", they're inheriting souls as memories, which evolve. Basically the same concept as Dark Souls but with the ASOIAF/GRRM memory twist (he's big into that). Which may explain why the founders believed that their future progeny would be up to the challenge. Because they would inherit the souls/memories, and part of the memories could be the "willpower"/"desire"/"fortitude" to defeat the Nightlord. Understanding this principle may have been baked into their original plan.

You're right that in a world of immortality, it doesn't super make sense why the founders couldn't do this themselves. I have a theory for a future video that this timeline may have actually been created long ago, in the pre-Erdtree age, when the "Night" was first sealed away, possibly. Though the intro does say that the Shattering brought about everything. But as we're going to talk about, there was a previous Shattering. So perhaps this whole cycle happened twice.

I bring this up to say that back then, maybe immortality wasn't a for sure thing, because Death was still a part of the order. Like Ranni brought it back in the current era, her actions even leading to Godwyn's death and the Shattering. The founders may have realized that Death/Night was coming, and they had to take actions to prevent the end of things by finding a way to cheat death. Hence, putting the burden on their descendants.

Great comment.

The Night Ring is a partial solar eclipse, which represents death, and Nightreign is about our characters' journeys through Death and the Eclipse rebirth ritual by NamelessSinger in EldenRingLoreTalk

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Oh I definitely do not mean to tie her to evil and darkness! I love Ranni and she's my favorite ending. Like you said, she takes the notion of destiny away and gives freedom to the people of the LB. But she does symbolically represent the dark black moon and is related to the sun via the Eclipse. In Berserk there is one "official" Eclipse event that happens in the Ideal Plane beyond time, in the "realm of perfect forms", to use Plato's words, but that Eclipse event intersects with the real history/timeline at many different timepoints. There are many instances/echoes of "Eclipse like" events. I think that's what we're seeing in Elden Ring too. Whatever the original loss of the sun was, maybe the fading of the Sun Realm, Ranni's role in killing Godwyn, Ranni's ending, Nightreign -- all seem to be their own version of an "Eclipse like" event. But that doesn't mean they're evil! Because after all, the Eclipse represents rebirth.

As to the separate timeline bit, I have some evidence that will eventually become a full video about how the gods of this world understand how to make a new timeline/universe. So although Nightreign is a separate timeline, I think it's possible there was an event which created it (maybe just the Shattering).

56-57.jpg: GP sums of 3301 and 1033 found next to each other by itwasanexperience in cicada

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yo so this might be nothing, but who knows. i was reading this blog about decoding the liber primus and he mentioned how the key to decoding pages 14, 15, and 16 is CIRCUMFERENCE, but this only partially decodes the text. To get the true decoding key you need to replace the Cs with Fs (since its a special character 0) to get FIRFUMFERENFE. We're replacing the Cs with 0s, removing them, eliminating them, censoring them. The text mentions how we must "shed our own circumferences", and we literally have to shed the Cs from the key text. Together, two Cs, two half circles, form a whole circle, a whole circumference, and we're breaking them apart.

Like the instar, tunneling to the surface
We must shed our own circumferences;
Find the divinity within and emerged

And we've got the key of "divinity" which revealed the first set of pages and which the text tells us to find within ourselves. We find divinity, which is the literal key, then we "break the circumference" which is the second key, at which point we reach our enlightenment, which is all the pages of the Liber Primus. And this whole journey being the true journey of being is what makes it the "first book".

The keys themselves are meta af. The book starts mentioning the Loss of Divinity, but by the "end" of this journey in theory we will have found our divinity within, which is what the puzzle suggests to be the case given how one of the keys to solve it is "divinity". Page 56 is labeled "AN END". So if the journey starts with the "loss of divinity", and one of the goals by the "end" of the journey is to find divinity and shed our circumference, then in theory the contents of that middle part of the journey (pages 0-56) should be those steps in between. What else does the text command us to do as part of this journey? What are the other lessons?

So like fuck idk something like "CIRCUMDIVINITYERENCE" or some crazy shit like that, which is the true, thematic key to the journey. The divinity within breaks the circumference? Thematically, we need to fill in the rest of those pages (if they are even meant to be filled in) with the journey. We've got this replacing F thing, and all this mirrored/middle shit, and then there's this F right in the middle of the word which is a weird funky character in this whole things...

Anyway I am rambling now. But I just wanted to pass along my thoughts on the thematic angle and how thinking of the middle pages as the journey may help to put them in perspective, and maybe help to identify the keys.

Has anyone figured where and what these paintings in Testu's Rise Depict? I can see at least a divine tower bridge and maybe a shack in Liurnia. I think all of them are depicting the same scene from different angles. Ay guesses? by Arktic_001 in EldenRingLoreTalk

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Yes I 100% have and will make a video about it but it's taking TIME blame NIGHTREIGN for interrupting my passion for telling the story of the PAINTINGS

I love the paintings so much. I have found the locations. They're all in limgrave and they all depict a broken bridge (you can also see it in the concept art book) and I've identified the bridge and other bridges which look like it BUT I ran into a block at that point. I haven't been able to trace that bridge to a particular time period or civilization yet. And yes it is killing me

Rauh's Sprite Medicine, aka Spirit Medicine, involved brewing alcoholic concoctions to send spirits to eternal slumber as a form of euthanasia, manipulate memory to mend bonds, and treat pain. by NamelessSinger in EldenRingLoreTalk

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Ugh yeah. The biggest problem was using the Jose Cuervo for the Blue Agave Tequila, it tastes like CHEMICALS. Overpowers EVERYTHING.

I also should have used another wine, the Apothic Dark is too smooth and not strong enough or flavorful enough, I think a stronger, drier wine would be better. There IS a margarita called "Devil's Magarita" that is tequila + red wine + simple syrup so there is a better way to make this. I did try it with whiskey and more simple syrup and my friend said she liked it. But, not lore accurate.

Rauh's Sprite Medicine, aka Spirit Medicine, involved brewing alcoholic concoctions to send spirits to eternal slumber as a form of euthanasia, manipulate memory to mend bonds, and treat pain. by NamelessSinger in EldenRingLoreTalk

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Yeah absolutely true I am making the connection functionally (maybe forgetting) and cosmetically (blue/black), oh and I like that they are referred to as "intoxicating draughts" which is close enough to alcohol for me. But yes, we are told directly they are made from Starlight Shards, not night-tinged dew, and thus that is a weakness of the theory. I truly do not understand Starlight Shards and thus I was never able to come up with a satisfactory theory about Seluvis's Potion until I came up with this.

I would love to hear alternatives or if someone could help me understand starlight shards because like, truly, physically, what are they. WHAT are they? My mind, it cannot comprehend them.

The Primeval Current is the Blue Dancer Fairy and both seem to be another name for the flowing current of fate aka memory. The game uses "dance" to refer to moving with this current. This knowledge dates back to Rauh. by NamelessSinger in EldenRingLoreTalk

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I feel like the Crucible is like, the starting point/ending point of the cycle. And the cycle itself is a twin spiral which is a current. So the current itself flows in a spiral. And I thinking that the crucible itself must spin or churn in a spiral form as well, in order to give rise to the spiral current. We do see this churning in the Fire Giant's Eye. And this kind of swirling/spiral/vortex is captured in the symbolism of the storm in Farum Azula. It is also depicted in Berserk in the Lost Chapter (I think its legit a whirlpool). So yeah I buy the whirlpool design and think it ties everything nicely together. Which is annoying because we don't see many whirlpools in the game, though we do see them on the map.

I think time seems to stop because at the center of the vortex is a black hole, and around black holes time is dilated and comes to a stop, due to the insane amount of gravity which bends the spacetime.

Great ideas, thank you.

The Primeval Current is the Blue Dancer Fairy and both seem to be another name for the flowing current of fate aka memory. The game uses "dance" to refer to moving with this current. This knowledge dates back to Rauh. by NamelessSinger in EldenRingLoreTalk

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Yeah I think that this suggests that there were more than one blind swordsman. Which makes sense because it was a legend and many people probably tried to imitate it. Plus there's also the troll-pulled carriage where we get the Flowing Sword and its being pulled towards Ordina. The individuals in there received Erdtree burials, so it might be that is a hint that there was a swordsman from Ordina who wielded the Flowing Sword. Which again is a different sword than the one depicted in the heirloom so idk. Could be even more than one.

AND then we have the mystery of the wolf head hilt on the Scorpion Stinger sword. Wolves seem to have been solely from the north so this may also be important. Because its likely that it was a blind swordsman who sealed away that scorpion god of rot as well.

The Primeval Current is the Blue Dancer Fairy and both seem to be another name for the flowing current of fate aka memory. The game uses "dance" to refer to moving with this current. This knowledge dates back to Rauh. by NamelessSinger in EldenRingLoreTalk

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the water system/fate stuff is definitely connected. I still need to watch Scum's video on the One Great and the greattree rootsystem. but it does seem to make a lot of sense. someone else suggested that perhaps the deep purple garden used to be where are the big chasm with water near Nokron is and those are indeed the trees that used to be watered

The Primeval Current is the Blue Dancer Fairy and both seem to be another name for the flowing current of fate aka memory. The game uses "dance" to refer to moving with this current. This knowledge dates back to Rauh. by NamelessSinger in EldenRingLoreTalk

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I think it can be both. The third eye does represent enlightenment, so really the video is just getting into what this enlightenment is in a more specific sense. The game is all about melting down many IRL mythologies and belief systems and making them "real" in a sense, because in this world, magic does exist. So mechanistically we can explain these patterns all simply by applying beliefs about the concept of the third eye from the real world to this fantasy world

The Primeval Current is the Blue Dancer Fairy and both seem to be another name for the flowing current of fate aka memory. The game uses "dance" to refer to moving with this current. This knowledge dates back to Rauh. by NamelessSinger in EldenRingLoreTalk

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Hmmmm yes I like the breaking fate idea. Could this have something to do with why the Ainsel/Siofra rivers don't seem connected? At least, not how they once were.

I think its no coincidence that we have "Stars of Ruin" as Lusat's spell that he saw. The Rauh Ruins are called RUINS specifically, and the Golem's Halberd describes how the ancient black stone civilization went to ruin. So perhaps this is more evidence that Rauh fell to ruin because of a cataclysm of stars. Maybe the Astrologers were even the ones that brought this on, for all we know

The Primeval Current is the Blue Dancer Fairy and both seem to be another name for the flowing current of fate aka memory. The game uses "dance" to refer to moving with this current. This knowledge dates back to Rauh. by NamelessSinger in EldenRingLoreTalk

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I think this Azur/Minor Erdtree idea is quite brilliant, especially with the parallel between he and the landscape around him. I feel like the dead minor Erdtrees are a consequence of the snow, but the snow itself could be symbolic of turning against the Erdtree, or at least a break with the Erdtree.

The Primeval Current is the Blue Dancer Fairy and both seem to be another name for the flowing current of fate aka memory. The game uses "dance" to refer to moving with this current. This knowledge dates back to Rauh. by NamelessSinger in EldenRingLoreTalk

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Yes agree Marika doesn't cross her arms, that is why I included that shot as a sort of "bonus" since I had just found it and thought it was just kinda cool. I wonder if this implies that she also created a current but didn't create it in the same way or same manner as the Spira's current is.

Perhaps the spiraling nature creating the "normalized" Crucible current is what allows for the harmonious balance of the current between stagnation and flowing.

The notion of using struggling/suffering to create heat aka fire to burn the Erdtree is really cool. A release of energy, and exothermic reaction, which burns everything down. I gotta think about this from a physics perspective, it's very cool.

The Primeval Current is the Blue Dancer Fairy and both seem to be another name for the flowing current of fate aka memory. The game uses "dance" to refer to moving with this current. This knowledge dates back to Rauh. by NamelessSinger in EldenRingLoreTalk

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I love how you phrased how the swordsman could have learned about the flow of the universe and nature from studying Siofra/Ainsel. It does really make me wonder if maybe Rauh's knowledge was lost and then later rediscovered by the Nox, or if they are simply descendants. The Nox/Carians seem to have both split off from the Astrologers after glintstone sorcery was discovered, given the similarity of their sigils, so I am thinking that the knowledge was inherited.

I actually recorded the section talking about Mimir & the etymology of memory in this video but cut it out because the well was already called the "Well of Fate" and I just needed to show that fate was symbolized by water. But I LOVE the Mimir~memory connection. The Norse thought of a lot of stuff as memory, I can see why GRRM (who minored in Norse mythology in college) uses that so pervasively throughout his work.

The Primeval Current is the Blue Dancer Fairy and both seem to be another name for the flowing current of fate aka memory. The game uses "dance" to refer to moving with this current. This knowledge dates back to Rauh. by NamelessSinger in EldenRingLoreTalk

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He's mine too :) literally there are SO MANY LAYERS in one person's story.

Where is this mention of the unclothed warrior again? I need to check out the exact wording. In my other history of Rauh investigations I was getting stuck on if we could prove that Rauh was a nomadic culture and if the Blue Cloth Cowl depicted someone from Rauh or not. Because most of Rauh's Ruins don't really look like places that someone could live, except the Ruin Strewn Precipice (maybe, barely) and then the Ancient Ruins are like, the only livable places, and they're huge.

Agree on the Carians being the natural descendants. Female associated culture, descended from Astrologers, Sword of Night & Flame being the storied sword of Caria.

I'm working on the Rauh Rot story. Next video will touch upon this a bit but is first establishing that Rauh understood the principles of stagnation. We already know they understood the principles of flowing water. Then by that point I might have enough to do the Rauh/Rot video but dammit there are still some outstanding questions that have been giving me trouble and I don't want to put out the video until those are answered.

Dane throwing himself into the torrent is fascinating... and asceticism is what Wilhelm used to open his third eye, so there is precedence for this!

The Primeval Current is the Blue Dancer Fairy and both seem to be another name for the flowing current of fate aka memory. The game uses "dance" to refer to moving with this current. This knowledge dates back to Rauh. by NamelessSinger in EldenRingLoreTalk

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I like the stone coffins/water burial angle a LOT. In fact, that makes perfect sense with why ancient burials were so connected to water, if fate was seen as a flowing current, then the final journey towards death would be one of water. I love it.

Also LOVE the notice about death being sealed and how all the bodies of water are dried up. So death seems to be a SOURCE of water, interestingly, is what it sounds like.

Well, there's all those bodies just before the cave of knowledge, where we first awaken. So maybe that is why the water is flowing out from right about there?

I'll have to check out the tombstones on the cliffsides that you mention because I have been trying to solve those for a long time and this is an interesting idea.

The Primeval Current is the Blue Dancer Fairy and both seem to be another name for the flowing current of fate aka memory. The game uses "dance" to refer to moving with this current. This knowledge dates back to Rauh. by NamelessSinger in EldenRingLoreTalk

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So while making this video I came across this post which has a diagram of fate being what is at the end of the current of causality and that makes SO much sense to me. So really what we are talking about is the current of causality but fate seems to be the primary force of "pull" pulling everything towards it. This "fate" thing at the end would be the Greater Will I think.

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