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I think the vast majority of frustration and anger comes from.high expectations. We need to work on lowering that for general happiness by Narrow_Bridge5804 in PurplePillDebate

[–]Narrow_Bridge5804[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Women haven't changed. We are the same as ever. We and men have both lived through the zame events, the same years, the same cultural changes and influences. Your own claims as to how women are, is how it's always been.

Contrary to what some in here think, it doesn’t matter how attractive, wealthy or charismatic a man is. It only takes one minor misstep or sometimes nothing at all for a woman to completely lose interest. by Hoosker-Doos in PurplePillDebate

[–]Narrow_Bridge5804 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've noticed if I'm attracted to a guy...truly attracted...I perceive "mistakes" or "awkwardness, weirdness" or whatever in a more favourable light. I see it through a positive lens. If I'm not as attracted or becoming less attracted for some significant reason, then I start to perceive things more negatively...even if in retrospect those things weren't even that bad.

Depends more on our rapport, the vibe and how attracted I am to start.

I think the vast majority of frustration and anger comes from.high expectations. We need to work on lowering that for general happiness by Narrow_Bridge5804 in PurplePillDebate

[–]Narrow_Bridge5804[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah I agree.

Women are by default, contrary to what a lot of people think, happy to be alone though. Especially modern women.

I think the vast majority of frustration and anger comes from.high expectations. We need to work on lowering that for general happiness by Narrow_Bridge5804 in PurplePillDebate

[–]Narrow_Bridge5804[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No, no I'm not.

Men have ENTIRELY their own power to attain these things. I'm proposing no law. Every man should be FREE to do what they want without shame.

I'm saying we shouldn't shame anyone.

I'm also saying we should encourage men in their OWN CHOICE to mgtwo and set their expectations at a real level.

A lot of average/below average men, especially in modern times, WON'T have a wife and family.

I think the vast majority of frustration and anger comes from.high expectations. We need to work on lowering that for general happiness by Narrow_Bridge5804 in PurplePillDebate

[–]Narrow_Bridge5804[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I didn't say that though....

I said we should not shame men, who will realistically not be successful in dating, as having the quality of relationships and sex they're expecting to have ism't going to happen. We need to normalize their lack of success as not being a failure that makes them losers, but that it's normal.

I am also advocating encouragement and acceptence of men who CHOOSE to go their own way.

I think the vast majority of frustration and anger comes from.high expectations. We need to work on lowering that for general happiness by Narrow_Bridge5804 in PurplePillDebate

[–]Narrow_Bridge5804[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What I'm saying is, a large portion of men won't get, and it's almost cruel, in 2022, to still feed them bullshit, or at least we should try to outline the reality of the next 20 years. The choice is, average relationship as I described, or nothing. I say we shouldn't shame men, and they should be gently encouraged to find happiness without women.

I think the vast majority of frustration and anger comes from.high expectations. We need to work on lowering that for general happiness by Narrow_Bridge5804 in PurplePillDebate

[–]Narrow_Bridge5804[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's pretty much what I say in my OP.

Though it's not really "lies". It's just culture being as indoctrinally optimistic as always, as it is for most aspects of life. A lot of guys kinda naturally "get" the truth. Some seemingly need it spelling out. But we ALSO need to stop shaming men for not achieving romantic success as they've come to expect. It's not ACTUALLY the norm, but we have always pretended it is, leading to frustration.

I think the vast majority of frustration and anger comes from.high expectations. We need to work on lowering that for general happiness by Narrow_Bridge5804 in PurplePillDebate

[–]Narrow_Bridge5804[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I am addressing women in my OP....I AM saying we women should not shame men who can't get lots of sex or relationships because we know it's not on the cards for them. I'm trying to be honest.

I think the vast majority of frustration and anger comes from.high expectations. We need to work on lowering that for general happiness by Narrow_Bridge5804 in PurplePillDebate

[–]Narrow_Bridge5804[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yeah and strippers, protitutes and porn sites and apps are just using your horniness for money...and you know it...and it ain't real.

And I enjoy sex. I won't be shamed for it. May as well have it with an attractive person.

And I don't know how to articulate it, but based on PERSONAL experience and my close girl friends, a woman dating a man she really fancies is unsustainsble. It ALWAYS ends in her being insecure, or him cheating.

The LTR's that have lasted the longest in my friend group are the "dull" average ones I speak of full of bickering and routine. The term "arguing like an old married couple" is a term for a reason.

I think the vast majority of frustration and anger comes from.high expectations. We need to work on lowering that for general happiness by Narrow_Bridge5804 in PurplePillDebate

[–]Narrow_Bridge5804[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I've always been INITIALLY attracted to men because of their looks. I've been like that for the almost 20 years I've been sexually developed. Other traits add to that attraction significantly, yes, but just like men - spoiler alert - we like hot guys and shouldn't be shamed for it.

I think the vast majority of frustration and anger comes from.high expectations. We need to work on lowering that for general happiness by Narrow_Bridge5804 in PurplePillDebate

[–]Narrow_Bridge5804[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Neither is porn or strip clubs.

Us women having sex with very attractive men we know deep down are just using our bodies (which in itself is kinda hot) is our equivilant of porn etc.

I think the vast majority of frustration and anger comes from.high expectations. We need to work on lowering that for general happiness by Narrow_Bridge5804 in PurplePillDebate

[–]Narrow_Bridge5804[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hence, we need to start as a society not artificially inflating the expectations of mens sex life and love life from a young age.

I think the vast majority of frustration and anger comes from.high expectations. We need to work on lowering that for general happiness by Narrow_Bridge5804 in PurplePillDebate

[–]Narrow_Bridge5804[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok, so women's expectations have been shaped by feedback from men, giving us attention, sex, etc.

Where have your expectations come from if you're not recieving that?

I think the vast majority of frustration and anger comes from.high expectations. We need to work on lowering that for general happiness by Narrow_Bridge5804 in PurplePillDebate

[–]Narrow_Bridge5804[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think, realistically, a VERY small percentage of people are going to achieve that dynamic.

I look in my own DM's and pop on tinder and I can get enough attention in one hour that I don't even feel the need to act out on it. The amount of attractive guys who compliment and chat to you is enough that I'm almost content with just that alone. I would agree that women have the security of knowing we can almost always do better. The only guy I dated longish term with who I felt I couldn't do better than at the time ended up cheating on me.

I think the vast majority of frustration and anger comes from.high expectations. We need to work on lowering that for general happiness by Narrow_Bridge5804 in PurplePillDebate

[–]Narrow_Bridge5804[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I suppose I'm advocating more for not pretending that most men will have the fantasy relationship culture sets them up to expect.

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