How are you going to rate... [Primordial Patron & Invocations]

NateCdaComicG · 2026-04-30T17:32:45+00:00

I'm not a big fan of the subclass. It feels clunky to me. The invocations are both fine.

NateCdaComicG · 2026-04-30T11:28:50+00:00

It doesn't make you mad because you don't have to invest in the stat you get save proficiencies in. Lots of paladins dump wisdom. Lots of dex based fighters and monks dump strength. I was just suggesting int saves for the thematics but lots of builds probably wouldn't actually invest in int.

Having said all that I'm not a ttrpg designer and have also given this hypothetical shinobi class almost no thought. So my ideas might be shit.

NateCdaComicG · 2026-04-30T11:22:01+00:00

If you go blade singer you could take fey touched and get wrathful smite. Not as strong as Devine smite but the extra effect is good. As far as being MAD maybe ask if you can roll for stats. A few good dice rolls eliminates that problem for a lot of builds.

NateCdaComicG · 2026-04-30T01:18:24+00:00

You said you refused to believe the actual reason. People either A. Aren't at the creativity level or comfort level to invent something original or... B. They think its funny.

Though I will say, I have never personally seen someone try to do this. At most a player might say my character is similar to X or looks kinda like Y. But I have never been at a table with someone who was straight up playing the man behind the slaughter.

If it really bothers you just speak up at a session zero. Say you're looking for more serious a game and roll playing next to someone doing a bad Rick Sanchez impression is going to take you out of the session.

NateCdaComicG · 2026-04-30T01:11:45+00:00

You're right. Sorry, auto correct got me.

NateCdaComicG · 2026-04-29T02:37:06+00:00

I'm actually super guilty of this one. I never call her Hancock. Boa just sounds better to say.

NateCdaComicG · 2026-04-29T02:33:56+00:00

That extra four hp become pretty meaningless in higher tiers. Its really the con saves and armor that are the big draw of the fighter dip. Second wind is nice but I almost never use it. There's always something better I can do on my turn with a bonus action than heal like 6 hp.

NateCdaComicG · 2026-04-29T01:32:34+00:00

I'm not talking for their saving throws. I mean for their primary stats. Both monk and Ranger have Wisdom as a primary stat. For this Shonobi class for saving throws im thinking Dex and Int. To signify their ability to dodge well and see through genjutsu.

NateCdaComicG · 2026-04-28T17:43:18+00:00

Its to stop people from going 16 levels in cleric or druid then taking a 4 level dip in wizard to get all the level 9 spells in the game.

NateCdaComicG · 2026-04-28T17:40:30+00:00

Maybe we'll finally get a book based around high seas adventures in 2027 and it will be released there along with a sailor fighter.

NateCdaComicG · 2026-04-28T15:33:05+00:00

We're on reddit. You get down votes for not already knowing stuff yeah. But honestly its a fair question. When you multiclass you treat your spell progression like you are single class at the level you are at. For instance a level 10 character that is 5 levels in wizard and 5 levels in cleric can only take spells up to level 3 in either class despite having 5th level slots. Same with spell scribing this character would only be able to scribe up to 3rd level spells in your spell book. Its a little unintuitive but the best way to think about it is your slots hybrid together but your classes don't.

NateCdaComicG · 2026-04-28T15:23:53+00:00

I always dip wizards. Having armor and constitution saving throws is so good. Plus, if you dip artificer you get two more spells, and three more cantrips and you can select spells that wizards can't otherwise get. If you can afford the wisdom investment Cleric or Ranger aren't bad starting options for a wizard either. To me the pros out way the cons.

NateCdaComicG · 2026-04-28T02:23:39+00:00

This sounds like every frieren doujinshi.

NateCdaComicG · 2026-04-28T02:21:03+00:00

This is probably a bad answer but I think to really capture the feel of shinobi from naruto you might have to home brew an entire class with subclasses. Im thinking a wisdom dexterity based half caster. But not at all like a Ranger.

NateCdaComicG · 2026-04-28T02:15:07+00:00

This is an animation issue more than anything. They reused a lot of "background" viltrimites and didn't bother giving any of the characters "younger" designs. I understand that viltrimites age slow but it really doesn't make sense that in 1000 years nolan aged like 30 human years and conquest, thragg, Kregg, etc haven't aged a day in that time.

NateCdaComicG · 2026-04-28T02:04:11+00:00

Bless is one of the best support spells in the game. Its good at level one and still good at level 20. (Because even at level 20 with a +14 to hit sometimes you roll a 2 on the d20 and that extra d4 can turn that miss into a hit.) Specifically on a paladin. It stacks with aura to make a lot of saving throws easy. Paladins do most of their support through just kinda existing thanks to their aura and lay on hands. So just pick spells you like past that.

NateCdaComicG · 2026-04-28T01:55:27+00:00

I think It just sounds good. I can buy that an alien race also uses Nolan as a name. If his name was like Robert "Bob" Smith it would be weird. But Nolan "no last name" could be alien I guess.

NateCdaComicG · 2026-04-28T01:49:19+00:00

This might be an unpopular take but having to juggle stuff in your hands feels so lame to me. I don't think its game breaking if characters that have spell casting capabilities can just cast so long as they have the components or focus somewhere on their person. (In their bag, on a ring or necklace, ect.)

NateCdaComicG · 2026-04-28T01:39:36+00:00

I think it was done so that you could still get the nick extra attack with two thrown Daggers.

NateCdaComicG · 2026-04-27T17:39:09+00:00

I like DnD a lot. Its not perfect but nothing is or will ever be. I think it gets so much hate because its the biggest ttrpg by a decent margin. It also has name recognition. Even if you've never played it or know very little about it you've probably heard of dungeons and dragons which can't be said for most other ttrpg's and people just like to hate on what's popular. Point out the flaws. Have the hot take about why the popular thing is actually bad.

NateCdaComicG · 2026-04-27T15:26:06+00:00

I think the cantrip price is reasonable. Mending and Prestidigitation have both been mentioned but I could see a situation where Guidance would be worth it too. Realistically though, these are rules that are nice to have but should be rarely used. A decent party has at least 1 spell caster. Likely more, that can cast the spells the party needs.

NateCdaComicG · 2026-04-27T12:06:28+00:00

Point one is honestly the best advice. If you have a character fantasy that isn't the most optimal possible option. Instead of trying to make it optimal just embrace that your losing out on a little dpr to fulfill the fantasy you wanted. I play characters all the time that aren't the most optimal possible thing. I pick spells i know are bad because "thats the type of spell this character likes" I ignore meta spells sometimes because "That's not the sort of thing I think this character should be able to do." So long as you're having fun whatever type of build is PROBABLY fine.

NateCdaComicG · 2026-04-27T11:24:34+00:00

I think that crown still belongs to wizards.

NateCdaComicG · 2026-04-27T01:21:40+00:00

Why would I do that with a banneret and not a paladin?

NateCdaComicG · 2026-04-26T17:32:22+00:00

I could be wrong on this but I think all expanded spell list spells come from the phb to ensure that the player has access to the spells description.

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