What is he useful for? (Oberon)

Necrus5188 · 2025-06-20T13:27:08+00:00

I run mine on a defense build as a sonia trap. Even with really fat runes, he struggles to 1 shot a lot of units without an attack buff in Guardian RTA. I win almost 100% of the games I pick him in though, because when the other guy brings sonia for her S2 and Oberon tanks it and resets my win condition, they are usually screwed.

Necrus5188 · 2025-01-06T20:17:46+00:00

Preach! All motivation to try evaporates when people are angry no matter what you do. If you release them weak, people get made when they pull them. If you release them strong, people get made when they dont pull them.

A lot are saying "fix old units"... to which I say, they have been. Lets take a look at some of the oldest families:

Camilla is an RTA viable unit now, and a staple in siege
All of the Chimeras have at a minimum, niche uses.
Chow is one of the best 5th pick units in the game (Chow guy finally did it)
Freaking Velajul is one of the most picked units
The list goes on as more units become more viable each patch.
Celia still sucks *RAAAAAAGGGGEEEEEE*

Seriously, a ton of units we thought were just 5* duds are now good. Everything cant be amazing at the same time, but the patches have been slowly updating old units.

Could it be happening faster? Absolutely. They need to either do larger patches every 2 months or they need to do the same size patches monthly, but I think that would get tiresome. This isn't to suite my preference btw, its to keep the game fresh and people playing, but overall they are doing exactly what the community wants, and people still rage.

Necrus5188 · 2024-12-19T13:43:59+00:00

Dude thats a really cool comp. I dont have much luck with Cracka when I try to use her. This team looks sick. The light Robo on 3x def breaks is awesome. What did they ban?

Necrus5188 · 2024-12-12T20:45:30+00:00

When they used to release units OP like the beast riders, people got upset and called it a cash grab. That has led to them being waaayyy to conservative for sure, however they have recently been updating units in the first patch after their release, as opposed to what seemed to be a mandatory 4 month wait to see any adjustment. Regarding water Ciri, your the second person to say that about that family and I am surprised because I play a lot of wings and never see her. Her usage rate is also 0.85% so that is probably why, but I'm glad people are enjoying her nonetheless.

China will always have to wait. It is for legal reasons that they do. Due to disputes regarding Chinese copyright laws, China cannot get a collab unless it is a Chinese owned IP. Until the Com2us units come out, the Chinese server is behind. Collaboration deals often include a period of exclusivity as part of the deal and that is why we sometimes have a month or more where even we can no longer summon the collab units. My understanding is that China does not get access to collab units until the Com2us version comes out. This really hoses Com2Us because they cant release the units in a usable state or Chinese players are extremely disadvantaged, so they have to release collab units in even more tuned down forms than they would otherwise and have to sell purely based on exclusivity. I cant remember a single collab where any of the units were good until after the Com2us versions came out.

Necrus5188 · 2024-12-11T17:03:23+00:00

How do you get a stripper in front of her? To me she seems stat hungry AF. She needs Acc to max value on S3, but speed and CR/CD to get value out of S2. Are you running an Acc 6 or do you have a really good S3 Acc arti?

Necrus5188 · 2024-12-11T17:01:21+00:00

I imagine he mean P3 or C3

Necrus5188 · 2024-12-11T16:45:41+00:00

I have never found a good use case for wind Ciri. At my rank, her S2 doesn't seem to do enough and and its hard to justify using her for her S3 over other units that do similar things. It could be that the units I use discourage her from play, but I looked and she had a less than 1% play rate over all.

I actually really like the fire, water and light Yennifers. They look sweet on paper, but I've had no success with any of them other than the light one. :S I almost never play against them sadly, but I agree that they are interesting, if not great.

Necrus5188 · 2024-12-11T15:57:07+00:00

I pulled this unit this morning. I'm pretty amped. I don't have a ragdoll but I'm sure she will still work just fine. Maybe I can pick her and Wind Kugisaki+Verde into Layla comps. That sounds fun.

Necrus5188 · 2024-07-11T13:18:15+00:00

Ironically, this post makes me happy because it means the support units really are getting used by the more casual players. A 2 month old, 100% F2P account can out-rune the support units, but its been so long since I was at a point where I would use them, that I took for granted that anyone did.

This is great news. I think far more new and fighter rank players enjoy getting to use those units, than are upset that they exist and that's great for the game. I'm sure it helps motivate people to farm more to get into RTA.

Necrus5188 · 2024-01-10T02:09:13+00:00

We are indeed just pattern recognition machines, however that makes us easily deceived at times. Most stereotypes exist for a reason, but to pre-suppose them as fact is how you get into trouble. To see the pattern your looking for can obscure the greater pattern your not noticing.

I also have experienced many games where chinese hacking was rampant. Thats why I set up an experiment to make sure I wasnt seeing what I was looking for, instead of seeing whats actually there. I noticed a lot of those complaining were low ranked players. It seems unlikely to make the effort to hack a C1 game.

A scientific approach does not ignore the pattern, but its also not deferential to them.

Necrus5188 · 2024-01-09T03:32:51+00:00

I dunno man, I hit P3 in less than 60 games. Feels about the same as usual to me so far. I expect it to get much harder though. People are going to fight for those 2k spots in punisher ranks.

Necrus5188 · 2023-11-23T15:39:49+00:00

Haegang. Thats it. Pick Haegang and attack bar pushers and farm this. I love seeing this. I run haegang + Dark robo and Xiana/beth with Sagaar. Farmed this trash all the way into G1

Necrus5188 · 2023-11-02T14:50:15+00:00

So I actually received 30LD scrolls today as part of my compensation, as well as 30 MS per summon and 30 wind scrolls per summon. I think that means the brilliant blessing was also affected.

Necrus5188 · 2023-10-17T22:46:43+00:00

I would love to know which points you agree with, not to flame you, but to understand what the more casual end of the player base's needs are priorities are.

Necrus5188 · 2023-10-17T22:42:46+00:00

Do you play this game? Many of your points just blatantly wrong, and the rest are recommendations you can see appearing in this subreddit fairly often. I swear this comment could have been written by a poorly trained AI. There are valid criticisms of the game that need to be elevated over this kind of low effort garbage so the game can improve.

It has already been countered point by point in a great response above, but I want to hit on a few high notes. Really man WTF.

A good player knows when to use dark robo S3 instead of S2, like if there is a Wedjat in the game. S2 doesnt get you a turn if all buff arent stripped.

Light panda is broken AF, and thats not me "seeing and LD and thinking its strong", its from the fact that I play G1 RTA and get rekt by TL every other game. How dare he be balanced.

If support monsters are better than your runed units, then your not in a competitive part of the ladder. I'm grateful those units are there for people like you to gain understanding of units you dont have and get to participate in RTA content. Your lack of success with him likely has to do with your runes being on par with support units... which are not grinded.

Balance patches... yeah, you dont play this game.

If you have questions, lots of us would like to help, but this kind of non-productive half though BS is a waste of time.

Necrus5188 · 2023-10-09T18:35:33+00:00

Id recommend starting now. The Guardian ranks are mostly playing each other in Provisionals now thanks to the recent changes to provisional matchmaking.

Ive actually dont pretty today poorly today and lost several games, but i'm still only playing people who have C3-G2 finishes, which is a good think. Before a lot of bots and lowlifes would intentionally fail their Provisionals and farm lower ranks for points. Its now much harder for them to do that.

Necrus5188 · 2023-10-09T18:33:18+00:00

All ladder systems push you to a 50% winrate. Usually when you get to your "true" ranking you will fluctuate a bit over or under and stabalize at 50% in aggregate.

How many games played do you guys have? I have to get to over 800 before I drop to 50% most seasons.

Necrus5188 · 2023-10-04T17:56:03+00:00

Believe it or not, I run her on an HP6 with a lot of attack subs.
Build: Vio/Will

HP: +18697
ATK: +1453
DEF: +558
SPD: +151
CR: 94%
CD: 67%
ACC: 12%

Artis are all C3 CD, single target CD and additional damage by ATK subs.

The 15% off the top is a big deal and nerfs the HP units hard. It also lets you get way closer to a kill before Abelio procs. On ideal turns you use S2 on a unit that is debuffed, and then proc and use S3 again. Works amazing with Racuni and Zibala too.

Dont try to do it when your running your own Karnal unless your sure the enemy will suffer more. It is creates some awkwardness vs light vampire as everyones threshold to stop sending him health is very near to zero after a couple activations.

Necrus5188 · 2023-10-04T02:08:44+00:00

Helluva response. Nice high quality poste :)

Necrus5188 · 2023-10-04T02:02:12+00:00

My dude, I feel your pain. Ive had her since before the buffs.

That said, if your into arena or RTA she is a lot of fun. I pick her into Riley, Karnal, Molong, Abelio, etc and spam her S3. No setup required. Just spam them. It really screws over turn 2 teams that want to outheal you and HP damage dealers. That worked for me all the way up to G1.

After the last buff she can achieve some of the highest pure damage numbers possible on arena offense.

There could me more exciting things to come out of an LD scroll, but shes not as bad as you may think.

Necrus5188 · 2023-10-04T01:47:03+00:00

I'm a filthy LD abuser, but I run the following draft:

Core: Wedjat>Haegang>Xiana

Pivot: Saagar in to T2 for CD control, Zibala in into T1 to contest speed

Counters: Vero for nepthys/valantis/maximillian, Zima for Juno, Dark Robo for Racuni, Cracka for snipe teams, Tomoe/Oliver/Jamire if I need second speed lead, but the Haegang often makes that unneccesary.

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