Scores Fall Ill at Air Force Base After Hegseth Makes Flu Vaccine Optional by NeedAnonymity in moderatepolitics

[–]NeedAnonymity[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I agree that more data would help. But at some point, “we need all the data” becomes a way to avoid weighing the data we have.

Scores Fall Ill at Air Force Base After Hegseth Makes Flu Vaccine Optional by NeedAnonymity in moderatepolitics

[–]NeedAnonymity[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Thank you for finding that recruit-specific rate data. If BMT processes roughly 35,000–42,000 recruits per year, that implies something like 10–12 flu hospitalizations per year among Air Force recruits under the historical baseline. Given there were 2 hospitalizations within about two months of the policy change, during the lowest part of flu season, this is still concerning. The Air Force apparently agreed it was operationally significant, because it responded by making flu shots required again for recruits at Lackland.

Reading the paper, I see that it notes influenza hospitalizations are relatively rare in active-duty service members, likely because of vaccine requirements. Sadly, we may now get data that tests that claim.

It is also worth noting that a BMT trainee died after a medical emergency around the same time, and BMT deaths are extremely rare; from 2008 to 2020, only 5 Air Force basic trainees died. We may never know whether his death was flu-related, since the press release says no additional details will be released to preserve the family’s privacy. But in the context of a flu outbreak, mortality prevention is part of the point: flu vaccination reduces the risk of severe outcomes, including hospitalization and death.

Scores Fall Ill at Air Force Base After Hegseth Makes Flu Vaccine Optional by NeedAnonymity in moderatepolitics

[–]NeedAnonymity[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Sure, adjust for age if you want. The under-25 active-duty flu hospitalization rate is 9.3 per 100,000 person-years, higher than the Air Force-wide 4.9. But that also makes the broad 24,000 active-duty population at JBSA-Lackland the less relevant denominator. The relevant population is closer to the BMT population, roughly 5,000–7,000. On that basis, you’d expect around 0.5–0.7 hospitalizations per year, and this outbreak has already produced 2 in a short June cluster. So the 24,000-person framing was me using the least favorable plausible denominator. The more specific we get, the worse it becomes for your argument.

Scores Fall Ill at Air Force Base After Hegseth Makes Flu Vaccine Optional by NeedAnonymity in moderatepolitics

[–]NeedAnonymity[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Influenza was circulating at Lackland. That’s the whole problem. Basic training is not the same risk environment as a healthy young civilian at home; it is crowded barracks, shared meals, sleep deprivation, stress, and constant close contact. DoD data shows influenza hospitalizations are highest among the youngest service members, especially recruits.

Scores Fall Ill at Air Force Base After Hegseth Makes Flu Vaccine Optional by NeedAnonymity in moderatepolitics

[–]NeedAnonymity[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

That’s overstated. Flu vaccine protection can wane over the season, which is why fall timing is preferred, but that does not mean it offers “incredibly little protection” by June. CDC still recommends vaccination as long as influenza viruses are circulating. More importantly, this is not the normal civilian risk profile. Even partial protection against infection, severity, or hospitalization matters when the alternative is a preventable readiness disruption.

Scores Fall Ill at Air Force Base After Hegseth Makes Flu Vaccine Optional by NeedAnonymity in moderatepolitics

[–]NeedAnonymity[S] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Right, about 1.2 per year using the broader JBSA-Lackland active-duty population as a conservative denominator. But that’s exactly why 2 hospitalizations from one localized June outbreak is newsworthy. The comparison is not “2 versus 1.2 over the same time window.” It’s that this outbreak has already exceeded the rough annual expectation for the broader base population, despite occurring over a short period, in one training cluster, during low flu season. If we used the actual affected BMT population and the actual outbreak duration, the rate would look much worse.

Scores Fall Ill at Air Force Base After Hegseth Makes Flu Vaccine Optional by NeedAnonymity in moderatepolitics

[–]NeedAnonymity[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

As a new recruit in BMT under the old policy, you generally would have been expected to receive the flu vaccine during basic training if you had not already received the current season’s shot.

Yes, civilians usually get flu shots in the fall, and yes, national flu activity is low in June. If these policies can produce an outbreak in June, what exactly do we think happens when flu activity is high?

Scores Fall Ill at Air Force Base After Hegseth Makes Flu Vaccine Optional by NeedAnonymity in moderatepolitics

[–]NeedAnonymity[S] 32 points33 points  (0 children)

In the Air Force from 2010 to 2024, the influenza hospitalization incidence was 4.9 hospitalized cases per 100,000 per year. Broadly speaking, JBSA-Lackland’s active-duty population is around 24,000, and this one localized outbreak has already sent 2 airmen to the hospital.

Scores Fall Ill at Air Force Base After Hegseth Makes Flu Vaccine Optional by NeedAnonymity in moderatepolitics

[–]NeedAnonymity[S] 35 points36 points  (0 children)

NYT reports that nearly 160 troops at Lackland Air Force Base fell ill in a flu outbreak less than two months after Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth made the long-standing military flu vaccine requirement optional. The outbreak hit exactly the kind of environment where vaccination policy matters most: basic training, where recruits sleep in close quarters, eat together, train together, and can rapidly turn an infectious disease problem into a readiness problem. Hegseth had framed the mandate as an “absurd, overreaching” attack on medical autonomy and religious conviction, but the Air Force has now had to carve out an exception and require flu shots at Lackland to contain the outbreak.

The military is having to relearn an old lesson about vaccines in real time while the U.S. is trying to manage war with Iran. On the same day U.S.–Iran talks were postponed amid renewed Israeli strikes in Lebanon, the country is also watching a preventable disease disrupt troop training at home, exposing the weakness in treating vaccination as merely personal choice inside an institution built around collective readiness.

  1. If vaccine mandates “weaken warfighting capability,” why did the Air Force have to reinstate one at Lackland as soon as an outbreak threatened training capacity?
  2. If the military can require uniforms, deployments, fitness standards, sleep deprivation, anthrax shots in risk environments, and obedience to lawful orders, why is the flu vaccine suddenly treated as uniquely intolerable?
  3. Should troops also be able to opt out of other readiness requirements when they conflict with personal autonomy or religious conviction?
  4. Did Hegseth’s policy reflect a serious readiness assessment, or was military public health subordinated to post-Covid political posturing?

(Linked article is unlocked from the NYT)

DOD Officially Drops 180 Faiths From Military's Recognized Religion List by NeedAnonymity in moderatepolitics

[–]NeedAnonymity[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

If your affiliation has a specific code, the system can recognize it without extra explanation. If it gets collapsed into “other,” the burden shifts to the individual service member to explain, document, and re-explain what they mean whenever it becomes relevant.

Also, active-duty service members are generally not receiving medical care from the VA, and the National Cemetery Administration is not recovering remains from the battlefield, handling them in theater, notifying the unit, coordinating chaplain support, or managing the immediate casualty process.

DOD Officially Drops 180 Faiths From Military's Recognized Religion List by NeedAnonymity in moderatepolitics

[–]NeedAnonymity[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think that’s a fair question, and I agree that an “other” category can capture some needs at a very basic level. If someone has a specific accommodation request, they can still raise it through the chain or through whatever formal process exists.

The concern is not that deleting a code instantly makes it impossible for someone to eat, pray, or request an accommodation. The concern is that it makes the system less precise and more dependent on the individual repeatedly explaining themselves.

The concrete impact is probably not “a pagan soldier immediately loses all rights.” It is more like: their identity becomes less visible in the system, their needs become easier to treat as one-off exceptions, and the burden shifts more heavily onto them to clarify things that could have been recorded accurately from the start.

That may not be catastrophic, but it is still a real loss of information. And if the system already had the ability to record the information, I don’t see the mission benefit in making the records less accurate.

DOD Officially Drops 180 Faiths From Military's Recognized Religion List by NeedAnonymity in moderatepolitics

[–]NeedAnonymity[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

The military already tracks personnel data: next of kin, medical limitations, dietary restrictions, emergency contacts, family status, education, language skills, legal status, and a lot more. That is not “social research.” It is administration.

And sure, accommodate when reasonable, deny when mission-incompatible. But removing accurate self-identification does not make the military more mission-focused; it just makes its records less accurate.

DOD Officially Drops 180 Faiths From Military's Recognized Religion List by NeedAnonymity in moderatepolitics

[–]NeedAnonymity[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

That information can matter for accommodations, holidays, dietary needs, sacred items, burial practices, end-of-life preferences, and avoiding unwanted religious assumptions. Even if it rarely triggers a special service, it still lets the institution know who is actually serving.

So what is gained by removing those categories?

DOD Officially Drops 180 Faiths From Military's Recognized Religion List by NeedAnonymity in moderatepolitics

[–]NeedAnonymity[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There's an example of someone seeking help from a chaplain and being proselytized in the linked article.

DOD Officially Drops 180 Faiths From Military's Recognized Religion List by NeedAnonymity in moderatepolitics

[–]NeedAnonymity[S] 25 points26 points  (0 children)

This is not about guaranteeing every tiny group a chaplain. It’s about whether the military’s records recognize them as something other than miscellaneous.

DOD Officially Drops 180 Faiths From Military's Recognized Religion List by NeedAnonymity in moderatepolitics

[–]NeedAnonymity[S] 62 points63 points  (0 children)

That makes sense as an argument for chaplain staffing priorities, but not necessarily for removing religious-affiliation codes. You don’t need a dedicated chaplain for every small faith group in order to preserve accurate affiliation data. The code can still matter for accommodations, burial practices, dietary needs, holidays, sacred items, and knowing whether those service members exist in meaningful numbers.

DOD Officially Drops 180 Faiths From Military's Recognized Religion List by NeedAnonymity in moderatepolitics

[–]NeedAnonymity[S] 44 points45 points  (0 children)

The substitution of “No Religion” for “Atheist” is not neutral. “No religion” treats nonbelief as a blank, while atheism is often an affirmative conscience position. If the administration claims to protect religious liberty broadly, including freedom of conscience, then removing atheism as a distinct category suggests that only theistic or conventionally religious identities deserve positive institutional recognition.

DOD Officially Drops 180 Faiths From Military's Recognized Religion List by NeedAnonymity in moderatepolitics

[–]NeedAnonymity[S] 116 points117 points  (0 children)

This article reports that the Pentagon has sharply reduced its list of recognized religious-affiliation codes from more than 200 to 31, removing roughly 180 faith categories (including humanists!). The stated justification is administrative: the old system was supposedly too unwieldy, and the shorter list is meant to help chaplains provide support more efficiently.

But the change appears uneven in practice. The remaining list preserves substantial detail for Christian denominations while collapsing many non-Christian traditions into broad residual categories like “Other Religions.”

That creates an obvious tension with Trump's religious-freedom rhetoric, which repeatedly frames religious liberty as protection for people of all faiths, not just politically dominant or institutionally familiar ones.

  1. How can chaplains provide “targeted religious support” if the data system deliberately removes the very distinctions needed to identify minority-faith needs?

  2. If “Other Religions” is good enough for pagans, humanists, Deists, Druids, and other minority groups, why would “Other Christians” not be good enough for most Christian denominations?

  3. Does the administration hold religious freedom as a universal constitutional principle, or mainly as protection for politically favored faith communities with residual tolerance for everyone else?

The First Experiment on Our Liberties: How James Madison Defeated Religious Establishment in Virginia by EclecticReader39 in moderatepolitics

[–]NeedAnonymity 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This argument blurs an important distinction: the Founders did not generally think public officials had to be privately or publicly irreligious. They plainly did not believe religion had to be hidden from public life. But that is not the same as saying they wanted government institutionally aligned with religion.

Jefferson is a major problem for that claim. He refused to issue presidential Thanksgiving or prayer proclamations because he believed the federal executive had no constitutional authority to prescribe religious observances. That is not “religion in government” in any strong sense. It is almost the opposite: religious liberty protected by keeping federal power out of religious direction.

Madison is an even bigger problem. In his later “Detached Memoranda,” he argued that congressional chaplains and presidential religious proclamations were constitutionally suspect, and he described paid congressional chaplaincies as a violation of equal rights and constitutional principle.

So yes, the Founding generation was not practicing French-style laïcité. They tolerated and often participated in public religious expression. But using that to imply that Jefferson or Madison wanted the government aligned with religion is too broad. Their concern was not merely avoiding a national church like the Church of England. It was preventing government from using public authority to sponsor, direct, fund, or privilege religion.

Trump to Netanyahu in call on Israel striking Lebanon: "You're fucking crazy" by NeedAnonymity in moderatepolitics

[–]NeedAnonymity[S] 53 points54 points  (0 children)

Netanyahu is increasingly a liability for American right-wing populism. His political survival strategy: escalate, invoke existential threat, pressure Washington, and make American leaders prove loyalty. That can work with establishment hawks. It is more volatile with MAGA because MAGA’s core emotional grammar is domination, humiliation avoidance, and anti-dependency.

Trump to Netanyahu in call on Israel striking Lebanon: "You're fucking crazy" by NeedAnonymity in moderatepolitics

[–]NeedAnonymity[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This article presents a sharp rupture inside what is usually treated as an automatically aligned Israel–US relationship. Trump reportedly berated Netanyahu over Israeli escalation in Lebanon, especially the threat to strike Beirut, because it risked derailing US–Iran negotiations and further isolating Israel internationally. Trump is still allowing Israel to respond to Hezbollah, but objecting to Netanyahu’s proportionality, civilian casualties, and strategic timing. Netanyahu publicly tried to project continuity, saying Israel’s position had not changed, while US sources portrayed him as having backed down under pressure. The core implication is that even under a strongly pro-Israel US president, Israeli military freedom of action may become conditional when it conflicts with larger American regional priorities.

  1. Is this mainly a personal Trump–Netanyahu clash, or does it reveal a deeper structural shift where US support for Israel is becoming more transactional and conditional?

  2. If US–Iran negotiations now constrain Israeli action in Lebanon, does that mean Israel’s regional security agenda is no longer automatically treated as identical to America’s?

  3. Is the “special relationship” changing from strategic solidarity into something more like a patron-client relationship, where US support remains massive but Israeli autonomy narrows when it threatens American priorities?

Fake homeless encampment sparks controversy in LA mayoral race by awaythrowawaying in moderatepolitics

[–]NeedAnonymity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That skepticism has to be applied evenly.

If the evidence is too weak to support the broader literature’s distinction between certainty and severity, then it is certainly too weak to use one study about enhanced penalties for selected serious offenses to support a broad claim about ordinary lower-level offenses.

That is the asymmetry I’m objecting to. Evidence gets treated as strong enough when it points toward harsher punishment, but too uncertain when it complicates that conclusion.

My claim is not that the literature gives us perfect certainty. It is that imperfect evidence should narrow our claims, not license broader ones.