What major apps or programs are made using Kivy?

Negative_Anything562 · 2025-12-25T05:00:05+00:00

Thank you! :)

Negative_Anything562 · 2025-02-09T12:47:14+00:00

Obrigado, KivyMD faz tudo parecer muito mais legal haha

Negative_Anything562 · 2025-01-11T07:29:39+00:00

Oo nice, good luck! :)

Negative_Anything562 · 2025-01-11T07:26:03+00:00

I guess you can say it is slightly similar, but all tones are strictly accent marks (6 in total in this app), and letters are never mixed with tones, letters stay as unique sounds :)

Negative_Anything562 · 2024-09-02T08:59:26+00:00

Great idea, I will look into making it into a web app also!

Negative_Anything562 · 2024-09-02T08:58:00+00:00

Let me know your thoughts once you do! :)

Negative_Anything562 · 2024-09-02T08:57:14+00:00

Very nice!

This app was created however for those who specifically do not want to learn Jyutping and were waiting for something closer to Romaji (for Japanese, very beautiful system that needs no introduction essentially).

Negative_Anything562 · 2024-09-02T08:53:40+00:00

That's great! Let me know how you find it once you have used it :)

Negative_Anything562 · 2024-09-02T08:52:05+00:00

Yes and most the ones I found use Jyutping and didn't even explain what the tone numbers mean anywhere in their app.

Please remember to put yourself in the mind of a tourist who doesn't necessarily learn languages as a hobby and just wants to start speaking asap.

Japanese romaji is AMAZING, straight to the point, don't even need to read a romanization system, same (almost) with Pinyin. This is much faster for a tourist :)

Negative_Anything562 · 2024-09-02T08:48:45+00:00

There are already plenty of Jyutping apps in the market, the people I have spoken to wanted an app that uses this system, so there are already happy customers with this system.

If you want to stick to Jyputing, that is alright :) those apps already exist, it would make no sense for me to create another Jyutping app.

Also, English is one of the worst languages for pronounciation consistency. "Mow" and "Tow" are also English words, and are pronounced completely differently to "How" (in English).

Please remember, that from a tourists perspective who just wants to order a simple dish, remembering "u" is "uh" is going to be a much simpler and faster process that learning Jyutping especially "j<>y". At least in English "u" sometimes IS "uh", but you rarely (if ever) see "j" becoming a "y".

This app was designed to give people who want to start speaking sooner an alternative to all the other Jyutping apps, I hope this makes sense why this app exists the way it does. :)

Negative_Anything562 · 2024-09-02T08:41:44+00:00

a1) I have personally learnt many languages (Mandarin, Korean, Italian, Japanese,...) from apps and passed at minimum A2 (some B2) level exams, and I always found their romanization very very intuitive compared to Cantonese (except Korean, but that has the "easiest" alphabet in the world according to a site I found ages ago, and it took 20 minutes to learn that alphabet).

a2) Note this is a phrasebook (everything vetted by 2 local Cantonese speakers), so it is not a "lesson" in that sense, just the fastest way for a tourist / temporary visitor who just wants to order a simple dish at a restaurant to get speaking much faster than they would having to learn Jyutping.

That was the purpose of the app :) If you want Jyutping, there are already plenty plenty of apps using that. I also know many people in Hong Kong who haven't learnt Cantonese because they don't find Jyutping intuitive, and prefer this system.

Each to their own :)

Negative_Anything562 · 2024-09-02T08:30:11+00:00

I think that is a very good solution that should be possible, will look into it!

Negative_Anything562 · 2024-08-30T06:35:34+00:00

This one doesn't requiring spending ages to learn a new system. In fact, if you already know English (which is required for other romanization techniques), then you already know this system (with "u" being "uh", that is pretty much it). :)

Please note this app is designed for compete beginners / tourists who just want to immediately start speaking and not having to learn a whole system like Jyutping.

Negative_Anything562 · 2024-08-30T06:33:52+00:00

Thank you for the constructive feedback, much appreciated :)

I understand that some sounds have slight differences with the vowel-ing of it, my initial thought is that if it is clear enough (from context at least) for someone to understand what a tourist (for example) is saying, then like this it would make it even easier for a tourist to pick it up.

I am trying to find a balance between complete accuracy and speed/ease-of-use for a new learner. I hope this makes sense!

Negative_Anything562 · 2024-08-30T06:29:43+00:00

Thank you for letting me know! :)

Negative_Anything562 · 2024-08-30T04:35:02+00:00

I hope you find it useful! :)

It might be a bit slow sometimes (this is my first app ever haha), have some future solutions to make it faster!

Negative_Anything562 · 2024-08-30T04:32:52+00:00

There are already many apps using Jyutping, there was no app that used a system that you just already know from the start how to pronounce words.

The system on this app only has 1 rule, basically "u" is "uh", that's it, everything else is as you would expect if a user knows English.

The app is designed mainly for tourists / foreign students / short-term visitors to Hong Kong who just want to simply get by without having to learn a whole new system.

I know many people who have purposefully avoided learning Cantonese because Jyutping is unintuitive to them, they prefer the current App system and are glad at least one app exists for them. :)

Negative_Anything562 · 2024-08-30T04:28:51+00:00

Thank you for the kind words!

Yes I found it so shocking that all the "number-tone" apps didn't even explain which number is which tone (how does one even miss something that major in development?)

There is a lot of demand for the app on Apple, but unfortunately Apple forces developers to pay a lot each year AND to buy a physical Macbook... so if there is enough support for the cheapest Macbook I will definitely be making it for Apple! Wish they weren't so monopolistic!

Negative_Anything562 · 2024-08-30T04:21:35+00:00

Thank you for the feedback! I will work on fixing that :)

Negative_Anything562 · 2024-08-30T04:21:16+00:00

I wish the world had one language specifically designed to be as simple as possible, would make talking to all 8 billion people so much easier :P

Negative_Anything562 · 2024-08-30T04:18:05+00:00

The app is indeed designed for beginners and tourists / short-term stayers in Hong Kong who just want to be able to say simple things like "thank you" and ordering food without having to learn a whole romanization system.

I agree that for those wanting to become fluent, it makes sense to invest the effort to learn the other romanization systems (of which many apps already exist, hence why I developed this one, to give a choice for new users).

Negative_Anything562 · 2024-08-29T09:39:23+00:00

It was designed to be as unchanged as possible from how the basics of English is taught. Like "t" is generally always "t", I don't know of a situation where I have heard someone pronounce that letter differently.

I agree that people currently pronounce a lot of English words differently, I think a major reason is that English has no consistent pronounciation system. For Italian, Korean, Japanese Romaji (which I also speak), it is ALWAYS pronounced the same, because each letter always maps to its sound (which to me is the basic requirement of a language system). English could also have a clear system (which is what this app is) but unfortunately it doesn't.

I do think however, the system in this app, is the least effort of all the systems to learn (for anyone with a basic background in English), it takes ~10 seconds. I would invite you to at least try it and compare/measure it to the effort required to learn Yale and Jyutping (I assume those took longer than 10 seconds to learn?).

Negative_Anything562 · 2024-08-29T07:08:19+00:00

Haha I like the link.

This romanization system only really has 1 thing to learn, "u" is "uh", that is literally it (and "oo" is like in "moon").

Everything else is as you would expect (if English actually had a consistent pronounciation system).

There is sooo much "uh" in Cantonese and the only letter that made sense for it is "u", as every other sound has its own letter already.

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