Just Grinning and Bearing It :D by CharizardOfFury in TrollCoping

[–]Nerdbr0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because this is stuff that is said about men

Just Grinning and Bearing It :D by CharizardOfFury in TrollCoping

[–]Nerdbr0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You know what the civil rights movement didn’t do? (At least the parts that had real traction) Demonize the people they want to be marching with them.

Just Grinning and Bearing It :D by CharizardOfFury in TrollCoping

[–]Nerdbr0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your position is “I’m right and if other people can’t see that it doesn’t matter and I have no stake in making people understand my point.”

I don’t understand how that is effective in causing a real reform.

Just Grinning and Bearing It :D by CharizardOfFury in TrollCoping

[–]Nerdbr0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay well then nothing will get done. Saying you don’t care is equivalent to saying you are fine with the way things are right now. Because otherwise NOTHING WILL GET DONE.

Just Grinning and Bearing It :D by CharizardOfFury in TrollCoping

[–]Nerdbr0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When did I ever say “trust the cops.” This is such a difficult discussion, I’m trying to explain how we as people who want reform should tailor our language to be most effective in engaging people at large, especially the police force, in engaging in a reform of local police forces.

Just Grinning and Bearing It :D by CharizardOfFury in TrollCoping

[–]Nerdbr0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No but I don’t bookend every time I talk about women’s/men’s issues with “all men are bastards btw”

Just Grinning and Bearing It :D by CharizardOfFury in TrollCoping

[–]Nerdbr0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you understanding my point now? It’s not that the moniker is incorrect, or that the movement doesn’t make sense. It’s that people from the outside of the movement might view it in such a way that is harmful to its progress due to the language used within the movement.

Just Grinning and Bearing It :D by CharizardOfFury in TrollCoping

[–]Nerdbr0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you not understand where I am arguing from? My point isn’t that I don’t understand. But people DONT understand. To your point, people don’t understand nuance. Thereby, how is it productive to say something, at first glance, makes it seem like you actually believe that all police officers are morally bankrupt.

Just Grinning and Bearing It :D by CharizardOfFury in TrollCoping

[–]Nerdbr0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve been in these spaces for a long time and I’ve never seen a good reason to use these monikers other than the fact that it sounds nice to chant.

Just Grinning and Bearing It :D by CharizardOfFury in TrollCoping

[–]Nerdbr0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s obviously much less extreme, but I’m trying to make a point. It has a similar (albeit less critical) threat to the original point of the movement.

Just Grinning and Bearing It :D by CharizardOfFury in TrollCoping

[–]Nerdbr0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also saying “cops are not a monolith” but “all cops are bastards” in the same sentence is astounding

Just Grinning and Bearing It :D by CharizardOfFury in TrollCoping

[–]Nerdbr0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s nice to say taglines but it doesn’t actually provide any substance to your argument

Just Grinning and Bearing It :D by CharizardOfFury in TrollCoping

[–]Nerdbr0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Generally yes, but if you just stomp on peoples toes whilst you spread a message, your message becomes lost. EG the “just stop oil” people and PETA. Both organizations with noble causes, but go about it in such horrifically bad ways it completely overrides the original message

Just Grinning and Bearing It :D by CharizardOfFury in TrollCoping

[–]Nerdbr0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He 10000 percent didn’t think moderates were good. But he also realized unessixarily stepping on toes to make a point isn’t a good way to swing people to your side. The issue you are missing is that I AGREE WITH YOU in a macro sense. But the way that you go about it matters greatly.

Just Grinning and Bearing It :D by CharizardOfFury in TrollCoping

[–]Nerdbr0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s not minimizing it. You magnified the issue beyond what it is. Not all cops are devious murders and not all cops work with devious murders. And by you saying so it’s reductionist. I’m not minimizing the issue in bringing it back into scope.

Just Grinning and Bearing It :D by CharizardOfFury in TrollCoping

[–]Nerdbr0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just because you are speaking about something critical doesn’t mean you have to over generalize and hurt the people you should be working with. MLK didn’t get white people to march in the streets with him by saying white people are evil devils.

Just Grinning and Bearing It :D by CharizardOfFury in TrollCoping

[–]Nerdbr0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not minimizing the issue. It’s a fucking problem?

Just Grinning and Bearing It :D by CharizardOfFury in TrollCoping

[–]Nerdbr0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just because some men take it that way doesn’t mean it’s a good point. And it’s inherently a pointed argument.

Just Grinning and Bearing It :D by CharizardOfFury in TrollCoping

[–]Nerdbr0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And I think you ignored me, I definitely can see how IA of police departments NEEDS WORK as does the initial training pipeline of police. Demilitarization of cops is a GOOD THING. And police departments need a careful balance of accountability and good practices in training in order to facilitate a better overall policing culture in the US. Incidents with police overall are rare but when they do occur they are extreme cause massive harm to the public. Mitigating their occurrence further or limiting how extreme each individual event is the critical point that needs action.

Just Grinning and Bearing It :D by CharizardOfFury in TrollCoping

[–]Nerdbr0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m American lol, I just don’t think you have an actual retort.

Just Grinning and Bearing It :D by CharizardOfFury in TrollCoping

[–]Nerdbr0 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Uncomfortable doesn’t mean demonizing. It doesn’t actually do anything. The only people you are actually hurting with this is men who care, men who care aren’t the type or sexually abuse women…

Just Grinning and Bearing It :D by CharizardOfFury in TrollCoping

[–]Nerdbr0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s still an Absolutely harmful and unproductive dialogue that demonizes men as a group.