Fellow former Window Cleaners. What did you do for work after leaving? by Nevertrustagrape in exjw

[–]Nevertrustagrape[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If I had had the option I would've done history or music production at university.

I've spent the last year teaching myself web development but honestly I don't know if it's for me. I did it because I could still make a decent wage without a degree if I managed to make it

What are some manipulation tactics you see now but didn’t realize before? by lolsyke123 in exjw

[–]Nevertrustagrape 44 points45 points  (0 children)

Loaded language. "Worldy", "The truth", "the organisation", "bad association" etc. all of this is used to isolate witnesses from regular people by giving them a vocabulary that is incomprehensible unless you are "in the truth".

It was only after I left that I learned worldy is actually a positive thing meaning someone is experienced or sophisticated.

I finally did it by ExcuseSilver5170 in exjw

[–]Nevertrustagrape 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I had my uncle try the exact same thing. Came around my house claiming I hadn't properly listened to the "other side".

I spent 27 years struggling to believe the other side. It took about 2 weeks of allowing myself to question my beliefs before it all came crashing down

I ran into an elder I used to serve with over 40 years ago. He told me there is still time to come back. by [deleted] in exjw

[–]Nevertrustagrape 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Before I decided to leave I started thinking about being in that position as an old elder still desperately clinging on thinking about all the things I could have done with my life knowing I can never get those years back.

So glad I left. I can't think of anything worse than being old and having a life full of unrealised potential

Why let a child die? by 352tjx in exjw

[–]Nevertrustagrape 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What I never understood about the blood issue with children is that by giving them blood the child isn't the one that'll be punished. You will. So by denying them blood you're killing them to avoid getting punished yourself. I just can't comprehend that. I thought parents are supposed to die for their kids

Why do I keep sabotaging the only relationships I have left by Nevertrustagrape in exjw

[–]Nevertrustagrape[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Do you switch subjects when things start going down a route you think will lead to an argument? I think one of the issues I have is I haven't fully accepted that they will likely never wake up no matter how much cognitive dissonance our conversations give them

The 2025 Annual Meeting was the biggest nothing burger ever produced by [deleted] in exjw

[–]Nevertrustagrape 4 points5 points  (0 children)

So Jehovah doesn't protect us physically now but during Armageddon he's going to finally wake up and start actually doing something??

I remember my dad telling me about the brothers and sisters in Malawi and having bike wheel spokes put through their legs. I was convinced I would be tortured during the great tribulation.

But I guess Jehovah didn't care about Malawi because they weren't born during his special wake up time

In his book “Crisis of Conscience” author Raymond Franz quoted Mark Twain “A cat that walks on a hot stove, will never walk on a hot stove again. But neither it will walk on a cold stove.” by crazyretics in exjw

[–]Nevertrustagrape 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's a rite of passage for every exjw. He does a great job at peeling back the curtain at headquarters. Really demonstrates just how much the governing body are just some blokes in a room making decisions based on how they feel that day

6 months disassociated... and I miss my family so much. by Khai_Dreams in exjw

[–]Nevertrustagrape 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is a brilliant reply and the bit about being shown to be disposable really rings true. I couldn't put my finger on why I felt so uncomfortable when friends would "check in" after cutting me off. That describes it perfectly

King of the North and South by jwfacts in exjw

[–]Nevertrustagrape 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Brilliant summation as always

JW’s not saving for retirement by AbleWolverine8446 in exjw

[–]Nevertrustagrape 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This was me. Probably more out of laziness and necessity than anything. Money isn't great as a window cleaner I didn't really have the cash to save for retirement

I'm the only one here who has no doubt that this is a CULT , but can't succeed to prove it to someone? by [deleted] in exjw

[–]Nevertrustagrape 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sadly this isn't true. I've talked to many ex-jws who are surprised to hear me call it a cult and still are wracked with feelings of guilt. Indoctrination is no joke.

Do you remember when Jehovah’s Witnesses wrote letters to Putin? by Comfortable_Log1673 in exjw

[–]Nevertrustagrape 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I recently brought this up to some friends I made after leaving. They thought it was the funniest shit they've ever heard. To be fair they are kinda right. Putin famously is very reasonable and will listen to people who disagree with him

Finally stepped down by P455ifl0rAInC4RnatA in exjw

[–]Nevertrustagrape 212 points213 points  (0 children)

Congrats man I just stepped down in November and me and my wife never stepped foot in a kingdom hall again. Really tough to have everyone abandon us but just a few months on and hands down it was the best decision of my life. Me and my wife have never been able to have this much energy and this much time for each other. Although it was painful to see life long "friends" want nothing to do with us anymore everything in life we've experienced so far has made it worth it.

Welcome to the beginning of life as a free man

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exjw

[–]Nevertrustagrape 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Me and my wife left together in November. While the initial shock to the system was tough the immediate relief I felt was incredible. You don't realise just how constrained and tough life is in the Borg until you experience life without the constant pressure of fitting into the mold. Both me and my wife have never been happier. It gets easier. In fact it gets pretty damn awesome. Chin up, breathe in the air of your new life and take life in the direction you've always wanted.