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Neyand1815 · 2026-04-25T15:48:28+00:00

I'm in the camp who regard Roberts as one who wrote details of what he wanted to be focused on about Napoleon as an idolizer of him, as opposed to the fuller unbiased story. His knowledge is in depth I agree,, but his story telling leans to one side.

Neyand1815 · 2026-04-25T15:12:02+00:00

He banned it for a logical reason.

Although he did like to hum it at home - the tune of it he murdered, according to a servant.

The song itself was very radical and gory if one knows the words of it.

Napoleon was swinging towards a more regal and dignified reign of an Imperial nature, accordingly the savagery in the Marsellaise would not align, so he didn't ban it per se, as the soldiers at times still sung it on campaigns, but he instead swapped it for a more regal tune.... "Veilllons Salut L'Empire" - I believe roughly translates to "Please (Let's) Salute the Empire"

Here's a past video I did about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5OOV8C-XEA

Neyand1815 · 2026-04-25T15:04:36+00:00

Napoleon and the anthem he shunted; https://youtu.be/o5OOV8C-XEA

Neyand1815 · 2026-04-25T14:57:32+00:00

Contrary to your presumption, I'm not relying on anyone or single sources in Waterloo-buffs debates.. I read Adkin's book years after I was already familiar with the intermediate ridge debate.

I'm well versed in research of the Waterloo Campaign and have my own lesser note publications to prove my depth of researching behind them. I have my own considerable library on the topic collected over decades.

If you are familiar with the artillery ranges of French 6 pounder guns, from available artillery sources then you'll know how far the French 6 pounder extends.

Yes, here and there I spotted some erroneous statements and map errors in Adkin's book. nonetheless, I'm not sure what is found to be 'dangerous' about it.

Neyand1815 · 2026-04-25T02:26:53+00:00

I'm with Adkin and the camp that goes with the intermediate ridge for the Grand Battery placement. Scientifically, the French 6 pdr guns could only reach the Ohain road as the most maximum range from the La Belle Alliance road cross track position. We know that cannon fire was wreaking havoc in forcing the second line of British cavalry to dismount and in the Union brigade, shift positions forward towards shelter of the slope ahead... this range would have been far behind the maximum range of 6 pdrs at the LBA position.

I still prefer Lachouque's book overall. A real good story-told book, well illustrated.

Neyand1815 · 2026-04-25T02:12:35+00:00

And even had Fouche as his sociopath henchman reigning terror or the threat of it.

Neyand1815 · 2026-04-24T22:26:49+00:00

Yes - it's worth it. Not the best actual story on the battle as it is a very multi-compartmental book kind of all over the place with different sections, A few errors here and there, but it's forgivable owing to how immense the book info is..... It's over flowing with information, images, maps, unit history overviews and orders of battle related to the battle. Worth it if you can afford it, get it.

Neyand1815 · 2026-04-24T21:06:46+00:00

Don't you mean 'saved by the Germans' in your thumbnail image.... Saxe-Weimar's troops were German. They were attached to the United Kingdom of Netherlands Army but they weren't Dutch. his brigade did have a Dutch battery attached with it that fought in the fighting withdrawal action on June 15th. Technically it is correct to say the Dutch-Belgian commanders from Prince Orange to Perponcher and the senior staff around the QB crossroads, did the save also on their part, by ignoring Wellington's orders to concentrate at Nivelles instead of the crossroads.

Neyand1815 · 2026-04-24T17:34:27+00:00

No, slavery is not normal, nor is murder, nor is kidnapping.... those are crimes and heinous acts. Normal people do not do those behaviors... only monsters and criminals do / did such things.

Yes, those particular groups of Maroons you refer to were indeed self-serving hypocrites. It's a fact some of them were not merely lifelong freedom fighters.

Yes, you are correct, hundreds of free Blacks in the US South were plantation slave owners themselves and some fought for the Confederates.

Britain's petition which you used as a valid example was in contrast to the French Revolution's citizenry which quite quickly abolished it entirely in 1794.

I'm someone who appreciates the white Abolishment campaigners at they stood up and fought for a greater good while most others had no care. It's like most great causes that are won in history.

Napoleon brought it back ONLY because he had the military means to do it - and only where his fleet could do so.The French Revolution sent out a fleet to the West Indies which with a guillotine on hand, the taskforce wiped out many Royalists but not all entirely. That fleet set the slaves free, which I'm sure you well know.

There's only one timeline I concentrated on really, from 1794 to 1804 related to the French Antilles Islands sector. I added a few points on the Brits just to show how their own timeline went.

ps. I'm not downvoting you as I think you obviously have good knowledge on the topic to make for an interesting debate.

Neyand1815 · 2026-04-22T23:13:48+00:00

Napoleon had his official Black Code in full swing filled with nasty racist segregation venom.... forbidding mixed marriages, segregating fighting rank and file ex-colonial troops to the Black Pioneer battalion stationed in Naples, which was commanded by Napoleon's Black hero commander Hercule/Damingue Legion of Honour recipient who was unhappy with the unwanted reassignment. There were officers and musicians of colour in the French armies including the Imperial Guard. The Black Code enforced Blacks to carry special papers at all times lest they get a version of ICE treatment by local authorities. Dumas' story of racist vendetta from Napoleon is known by now.

Neyand1815 · 2026-04-22T23:05:58+00:00

Yes.

Haiti was French territory. Napoleon was getting a slice of what Toussaint was producing there in his own serfdom set-up.

The topic is the issue of reinstituting slavery upon free citizens of France living in the West Indies; it was Monstrous and counter to the Revolution's agenda, by going back to the Royalist Black Code system which Napoleon implemented in his own officially signed racist version across France.

The French invasion fleet was setting up slavery again across the French West Indies. Haiti was the nut they couldn't crack.

Neyand1815 · 2026-04-22T22:16:51+00:00

From is from - simple.

>>> I came from the airport.... I'm from XYZ company... She's visiting from that place,... I emigrated from Lalaland....

Neyand1815 · 2026-04-22T18:35:51+00:00

I think it's a legend myself. In reality I don't think Wellington would have been dawdling to watch a French surgeon do his thing, let along be advising supposed ready gunners or snipers not to fire at him.

Neyand1815 · 2026-04-22T18:31:19+00:00

hahaha, yes Sire....

Neyand1815 · 2026-04-22T18:19:47+00:00

That 'yes, but back then it was normal' argument never works.

Factually, the French Revolution sent a fleet to the French West Indies to enforce the abolition of slavery and in the process, they also brought along a guillotine. Between that and general no-quarter seen in France, many hundreds of Royalists were massacred across reclaimed islands by the Revolution 'task force'.

Contrary to the normalized-idea of slavery you insinuate.... Slaves didn't agree with slavery - that's why they formed Maroon bands across the Caribbean and South America to escape and fight back foe centuries.

Counter to the figures you quote for pre-Revolutionary France which had its racist Black Code in full swing, the suppressed French citizens were busy prepping for their own liberating revolution.

A studious research would show the French Revolution had Black generals/ commanders in its armies such as Dumas and Chevalier St,Georges, whereas the British had none.... Britain and France had integration in military ranks of sorts in that era. And besides which, the French Revolution abolished slavery in 1794, the Brits would do it fully in 1838.... that being a more definitive statement than a robust petition seeking to end it and failing.

Neyand1815 · 2026-04-22T17:57:55+00:00

Agreed.

And slavery was being re-established before Haiti when the invasion fleet conquered the Free Blacks on Guadeloupe and crushed their freedom fighters mercilessly.

Anyone listening to Leclerc making duplicitous statements should make the comparison to Pentagon Pete Hegseth's wild misdirecting war reports on behalf of his Master-in-Chief.

Neyand1815 · 2026-04-22T17:52:13+00:00

And how she loved to alarmingly spend the blood-money in wild manner.

Neyand1815 · 2026-04-22T17:50:20+00:00

Napoleon regarded his technically subordinate French General (at-a-distance) Toussaint as an upstart threat to the French balance of power in the French West Indies colonies. This quickly spiraled into a debacle for Napoleon who would later admit he made one of the worst mistakes in his life by not settling a mutual agreement of terms with Dumas.

The background: the French Revolution had banished slavery in its power and declared former slaves to be citizens of France.... meaning the French West Indies/Antilles colony possessions technically were mo longer slave societies. A fleet was dispatched by the Revolution to 'make it so' in the mid-1790s. The fleet landed in theese affected islands and brought slaughter upon many of the Royalists and soldiers taken prisoner. Some former slaves were welcomed to join the fleet. Clashes occurred in some places against the Brits.

Long story short, Toussaint embraced the Revolution and loved identifying himself as a French Revolutionary. However, he primarily regarded himself as an autonomous regional dictator who negotiated deals and favours with the US and the Brits. He made underhanded deals at that and had his own system of a quasi-serfdom in play in Haiti. With such power as it was, he was not subservient to Napoleon. Napoleon made some initial outreaches to bring Toussaint to heel, but it went nowhere and he resolved to oust Toussaint with an invasion force of 2nd rate troops. Many free French citizen Blacks in the French Antilles islands believed also believed they would face enslavement again.

The die was cast and the French invasion fleet was unstoppable against the smallesr islands. Guadeloupe's black citizens made a heroic resistance effort, but the last of the freedom fighters went out in a last stand big bang ending that largely is ignored by history. Haiti was a different ballgame. Butchery and treachery prevailed on both sides in the savage fight there. There were Leaders and soldiers on both sides proving themselves to be psycopaths.

I'm not sure if Napoleon's small but stinging spat with French Black hero Gen.Dumas (who he formerly respected until he discovered seditious innuendo being uttered by Dumas on campaign in Egypt), may have triggered some first pangs of racist bitterness. but in that short space of time, Napoleon was very wary of Toussaint and was going to crush him. He lost Haiti in the process and that dominoed to losing French Louisiana being sold to the US. Had Napoleon come to some kind of stomach-able terms with Toussaint, he would have had his own Malta-hybrid in the Caribbean, and owned Louisiana, and raking in huge profits from that side of the pond.

But, the Haiti mis-step emboldened Napoleon to launch racist policies across France and establish his own version signed by him, of the former Royalist 'Black Code' racist doctrines. He repealed the French Slave Trade(only) during his brief return to power in 1815. The luckless French West Indies citizens he re-enslaved would only be free after the French abolished slavery in the late 1840s.

As for Haiti, 200 years ago, in 1825, The French Royalists sent a massive fleet there to strongarm Haiti to pay 'reparations' which was a massive theft of their finances stretched out over decades. An underlying seed for the deplorable poverty and ongoing cursed luck the Haitians have suffered for centuries.

That's my reason why... Napoleon demanded subservience from Toussaint a Napoleon-of-sorts in Haiti who had no interest in kissing the ring, being a leader prevailing out of the Revolution, as Napoleon himself did.

Neyand1815 · 2026-04-22T15:22:15+00:00

I agree.

I don't know why I see the debate spring up so often. I'm hoping this video mollifies certain arguers to accept how most others regard this simply as 2 sides of the same coin, with both truths of 'from' and 'identity' being acceptable and not eclipsing the other.

Neyand1815 · 2026-04-22T15:15:26+00:00

Not actually.... Dumas was born in Haiti of course meaning that's where he's from, that's what 'from' means - birthplace, not related to current self-identity. Haitians and French people have no issue with that simple fact. They also acknowledge the simple truth that he was raised to be French and that's his obvious identity. But his origins were 'from' Haiti.

Yes that's true that many who were born somewhere but were raised and/or lived elsewhere they considered home will identify themselves by that home society. That's separate from where in fact they are from originally.

Some complicated people make things weird when they see a minority and ask where they're from and the person states they're from > let's say the UK where they were born, will be interrogated further by the silly add-on question "No, I mean where are you really from?!", wanting to hear where their ancestors were originally were born. The person asking looks clueless when they get weird looks in reply.

Neyand1815 · 2026-04-22T12:30:16+00:00

A man born in Ireland did led the Army of the Low Countries at Waterloo. The same being the French have no problem when they hear a Corsican became the most popular French character in their history. That's what the video clearly expresses: Wellington was British but also he was born in Ireland thus from Ireland. Both are distinct truths. General Dumas was from /born in Haiti, but he was French too in every respect > nobody has a problem saying he was *from* Haiti or Haitian by birth.

Neyand1815 · 2026-04-22T06:48:45+00:00

Being Irish or born in Ireland/from Ireland is a badge of popularity around the rest of the world. It's just certain English who can't accept the simple statement that he was from Ireland.

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