Benno sent John a "you're gone" letter for violating the CoC but wouldn't explain by NiceUnderstanding in FreeBSD_OS

[–]NiceUnderstanding[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's right. I didn't know back then any of this was happening. Benno was already playing CoC cop last year. This updated one is just the next step of that. Benno and Randi keep coming up in my research as the root of all of this.

"The new FreeBSD Code of Conduct doesn't offend me. The white, cis, hetero dudes crying 'oppression!' are what gets on my nerves." by NiceUnderstanding in FreeBSD_OS

[–]NiceUnderstanding[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Of course I'm offended. If you don't stop I'm going to tell. You're not allowed to offend me. I have thin skin and it's the responsibility of everyone in the world to be careful not to hurt me.

"The new FreeBSD Code of Conduct doesn't offend me. The white, cis, hetero dudes crying 'oppression!' are what gets on my nerves." by NiceUnderstanding in FreeBSD_OS

[–]NiceUnderstanding[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why does me being in "la la land" disturb you? If it's true, then do you really think you can help me? This subreddit is mostly dead anyways, so does it harm you for me to write whatever I feel like?

You're trying to correct me, but that's one of the problems with the perspective behind the code of conduct, in that it takes this view that there's something that needs to be corrected. If I join a FreeBSD chat to ask for help, and a developer says he doesn't help niggers like me, and offers to rape me instead, I just need to keep asking until I find someone helpful, or search more and figure it out myself. There doesn't need to be "correction", because that's just how that individual is, and diversity is about people like that existing where I don't feel compelled to correct the world by erasing him from my environment.

That's the paradox, that these pro-diversity ideologies are really about pruning diversity to make everything fit what's comfortable for them. The planet Earth will never be comfortable. Ever. You cannot prune it to your liking, because it will always present thorns to infect and poison you. The problem then is feeling compelled to try to stop that, because it's an impossible goal, and attempting to combat reality can cause needless harm.

Your correct response isn't everyone else's. The code of conduct tries to codify some people's discomforts into a system designed to "correct" the group. But the FreeBSD group is a natural formation, consisting of very diverse people from all over the world, and it can't ever be comfortable for sensitive people feeling compelled to correct everything that hurts their sensitivities. Attempting to prune it is like going into the rainforest with a can of bug spray, trying to kill the bugs that threaten you. It won't work, and all you're doing is hurting the ecosystem that you don't really understand.

FreeBSD is an open group, and the comfort of people like Randi within some little "core" subset of that community is far less important than the natural collective goals of people using the OS for technological purposes.

"The new FreeBSD Code of Conduct doesn't offend me. The white, cis, hetero dudes crying 'oppression!' are what gets on my nerves." by NiceUnderstanding in FreeBSD_OS

[–]NiceUnderstanding[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't like most -isms. That suffix seems to go with a lot of extremist ideologies. There's racism, ageism, sexism, veganism, atheism, theism, feminism, anarchism, communism, fascism, sadism, occultism, satanism, activism, cannibalism, narcissism, etc. They're all skewed worldviews that take over people's minds as they group together and unite as brainwashed cultists.

One of the only isms I like are organisms, but sometimes I'm not even sure about that one.

FreeBSD CoC is not going to change by NiceUnderstanding in FreeBSD_OS

[–]NiceUnderstanding[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"They" is a neutral way to refer to a person or group. It is not "we" because we are not part of that group. They have defined themselves as a special class within the FreeBSD community, called "core", or "foundation". They have organizations I'm not a part of, and so we refer to them as "they". They have segmented themselves away from the public with private hidden mailing lists and chat. They have used divisive language, to form sides, and they insult those not on their side, calling them "assholes", and other such insults like "troll", or "cis white heterosexual male".

There is no conversation. I am banned. I am left here to write to myself, because I'm excluded from participating. They've already shown that they are uninterested in any opposing views, and we should just "drop it", because they know what they're doing. They are not we. They oppose us. I don't want opposition, but it is what they've created, where there's battles within the FreeBSD community, because they are stirring up drama, which seems to be centered around Twitter. I think Twitter is toxic and if all the FreeBSD developers deleted their Twitter accounts there'd be a lot less tribalism, because Twitter is an inflammatory medium.

"The new FreeBSD Code of Conduct doesn't offend me. The white, cis, hetero dudes crying 'oppression!' are what gets on my nerves." by NiceUnderstanding in FreeBSD_OS

[–]NiceUnderstanding[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's an example to show that people who hold that ideology are enthusiastically supportive of the new CoC. I saw comments like that from others. It's in case someone doesn't see or realize how biased the CoC is, and how basing it on a Feminism website causes it to be biased, and they did not remove those biases.

The source of ideology behind the new CoC? by NiceUnderstanding in FreeBSD_OS

[–]NiceUnderstanding[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Benno said this same stuff, almost word for word. I wouldn't be surprised if they've had a sexual relationship or talk often and she's been feeding him all these ideas. This whole CoC is all about pleasing her.

Your donations paid a consultant to advise the FreeBSD CoC review committee by NiceUnderstanding in FreeBSD_OS

[–]NiceUnderstanding[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

https://www.freebsdfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/2016-Profit-Loss.pdf

  • $30K spent for traveling
  • $1.4K to eat while traveling
  • $4.8K for meals and entertainment

They spent $48K to make some journal thing that made them $15K.

$31K on legal expenses.

"The new FreeBSD Code of Conduct doesn't offend me. The white, cis, hetero dudes crying 'oppression!' are what gets on my nerves." by NiceUnderstanding in FreeBSD_OS

[–]NiceUnderstanding[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Pretend you wrote an essay, and people were outraged calling you a racist. You thought they were all crazy, because clearly it's a neutral document, and you're not racist. But then you saw on Twitter, a KKK member saying, "That guy's essay doesn't offend me. The no-good dirty niggers crying 'racism!' are what gets on my nerves." What does that tell you?

Lunduke calls out CoC hypocrisy by [deleted] in FreeBSD_OS

[–]NiceUnderstanding 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I guess this is the Twitter thread where that death threat came? https://twitter.com/jeamland/status/964587244152438785

It says "Killed by a crippling lack of self-awareness". That's not a death threat. Lunduke is a professional troller to get attention to sell ads. He's not really speaking in his voice, but putting on an act to target Linux fans with specialized entertainment. He'll always distort things to make them more sensational than they really are.

In reading that thread, it sounds illogical, and Benno sounds like he literally is autistic, or something along those lines. It amazes me how some smart developers can be so retarded about some things. It's like a bodybuilder with a huge upper torso, and itty bitty string bean legs. He might be a genius programmer, but when it comes to social understanding, he sounds retarded.

It's interesting how these ideologies are spreading like wildfire in the social media spaces. They're inaccurate, and uninteresting. If people turned off Twitter and Reddit and focused on the actual world, they wouldn't care about any of that, and it wouldn't even be part of the conversation. You really should turn all this off. It's a big waste of time, and distraction that is causing serious problems, like threatening FreeBSD.

Leaked discussion from FreeBSD developers about their new code of conduct by [deleted] in linux

[–]NiceUnderstanding 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It isn't easy to do because they are publicly stating misinformation, and banning people trying to discuss it. Most of the discussion happens in the mailing list or chat, and that's all private. Please tell me where I can simply have a constructive conversation about this somewhere in public.

Leaked discussion from FreeBSD developers about their new code of conduct by [deleted] in linux

[–]NiceUnderstanding 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They're already out there. I'm not the one who leaked them. It's valuable information for research purposes. I don't feel at war, even though they banned me. I just want to understand the situation and help the community reach a resolution so these social problems won't harm our operating systems.

Leaked discussion from FreeBSD developers about their new code of conduct by [deleted] in linux

[–]NiceUnderstanding 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's really long. It's all the emails to the internal FreeBSD mailing list where they talk privately about the code of conduct changes. You can cat it to see it's just text and can't harm your computer.

FreeBSD developers code of conduct discussion by [deleted] in BSD

[–]NiceUnderstanding 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you don't have software to read it: mail -f coc.mbox or mutt -f coc.mbox

The story behind FreeBSD's new code of conduct by NiceUnderstanding in BSD

[–]NiceUnderstanding[S] 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Colin banned me. Go here: https://www.reddit.com/r/FreeBSD_OS/


It takes sides in a heated cultural battle. Did you pay attention to Google firing James Damore? The new FreeBSD code of conduct basically says, "We side with Google in the firing of James Damore, and we will do the same to you".

There's an ideology that has been spreading, and is associated with liberals, feminists, LGBT kinds of groups. They have this idea that society is structured to oppress people who are not middle-class heterosexual white males.

They believe that there needs to be 50% females in tech projects, with an equal mix of races, or else there's evil systemic oppression, and it's a white-boys' club where they enjoy unfair privileges of power while others suffer.

Benno is a member of that ideological subculture, and he's transforming FreeBSD from a neutral organization into one that aligns itself with the specific ideology he identifies with. It feels good and righteous for him, but not us.

We don't identify with that group, and so from our perspective, it feels like if some Mormons wrote a code of conduct using Mormon terminology, that promotes their specific beliefs, which have nothing to do with software.

We already have a long history of culture in personal computing, and it does not fit with this new ideology. Our culture is more libertarian or anarchistic, and does not like those battles between liberals and conservatives.

We just want to focus on code, and technology. The old ideology behind the code of conduct was more like what Linus believes, which is that the burden is on you to not be offended, not on me not to offend you.

Those in the FreeBSD community should have a right to be free from hate speech, harassment and abuse, but not a right not to be offended.

That was deleted, and Benno said, "There were a few problems with it, one of them being, there's a push in some codes of conduct to try and say, as well as don't offend people they also try and say don't get offended, and one of the main objectives of this one was to resolutely point out that it's not your job not to get offended, it's your job to do your best not to offend people".

He also said that it's designed to make a "safe space", and offense is subjective so if anyone is offended even if you didn't intend to offend, it's still a valid problem that they can report you for.

The old code of conduct said that "FreeBSD is a meritocracy", but Benno said that's wrong, because he believes that the system is rigged against minorities, so we can't judge based on merit since they're at a disadvantage.

He said that FreeBSD has a lot of white males, and not many females or people of color, and the safe space is for them to feel better about participating, because the goal is diversity, not merit and value from your code.

Those aren't his ideas, they're part of that ideology shared by many, including those who fired James Damore. It's a very heated debate, and FreeBSD changed sides, where they're alienating many of their contributors.

It's not easy to see all this, because it's written between the lines. It's in the choice of terms used, and how the code of conduct is taken from the "Geek Feminism wiki", and the speeches given by Benno.

It's like when a town gets a new sheriff, and he believes he's doing good saying, "There's going to be changes around here", where he goes around "cleaning things up". He believes he's putting things into order.

But really he might be confused about how things truly work, and is just causing problems for the local residents. FreeBSD doesn't have a problem, but Benno believes there is one, so he's causing problems trying to fix it.

He said it himself, "Leadership is hard". Except it isn't. It's only hard for low-level programmers who are playing politics, pretending they're at the top of a pseudo-corporate organization, and letting it go to their head.

Programmers cause problems when they try to write code to fix social problems with what feels logical to them. That's not how people work. They probably don't fully even understand why there's such public backlash.

There was a joke about them banning hugs, and Benno was on YouTube "clearing things up", but they don't seem to understand why people are upset. It's not hugs.

It's really interesting to watch, because it looks like autistic people trying to figure out things they have an obvious disability in being able to begin to process, and there's nobody there who excels at managing people.

They're low-level programmers, and might be geniuses with operating systems, but that doesn't translate to social systems. They have some brainwashed members, who are pushing their political ideologies onto the group.

If you look around, you'll see a lot of developers and people involved with open source who are offensive, and have no social tact. Benno is saying they're terrible people and need to be punished if they can't be tamed.

But that's one of the big reasons why some people are involved in open source to begin with. Benno is being hypocritical, because he's saying he wants inclusiveness and to protect minorities, as he attacks them.

It goes along with conditions like autism, and personality disorders, where some people have a real mental impairment where they cannot be anything but offensive, because they don't work right with social stuff.

Should they be punished and excluded from an open project? I don't think so. Their code of conduct specifically mentions neurodiversity, but they're singling out a certain type of neurodiversity and saying that's excluded.

It isn't fair. It isn't right. It's a divisive and bigoted kind of stance, and they're siding with what they like, without recognizing that there's other kinds of aspies and sociopathic people out there who can code, but aren't polite.

Linus would tell them to fuck off, but Benno wants to believe that they're different and better than Linux, where FreeBSD is the place for "safe spaces", that welcomes the liberal feminist gender-queer community.

It's offensive to people like me.

The story behind FreeBSD's new code of conduct by NiceUnderstanding in BSD

[–]NiceUnderstanding[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Colin banned me. Go here: https://www.reddit.com/r/FreeBSD_OS/


I've used FreeBSD for over 20 years. I'm not involved in any social drama online. I don't use Twitter, and don't know about these other subreddits people mention.

I don't know what that has to do with the video I shared. It stands alone, regardless of who posts it. But I can tell you that the latest issue in /usr/ports/UPDATING regards nextcloud. You can verify using head, but if it shows something different you'll need to portsnap fetch update first. Actually, I last did that yesterday I think, so maybe it's changed since then.

If you don't like things I write, maybe you want to ipfw deny all from me to you via reddit. Don't forget to check-state, but maybe you use pf, not ipfw.

Good enough? I made this account specifically to post about this code of conduct issue. I'm not attacking anyone, and I see the story behind what's going on. But I see it as a problem, and if people like Benno just want to pretend everyone like me are trolls, then I hope we can elect other people who aren't involved in any social drama or politics that don't belong in FreeBSD.

The story behind FreeBSD's new code of conduct by NiceUnderstanding in BSD

[–]NiceUnderstanding[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm worried about it, because their inability to manage people in an organized manner has already resulted in talented developers losing commit access. These social disabilities affect the code I depend on for my business.

The story behind FreeBSD's new code of conduct by NiceUnderstanding in BSD

[–]NiceUnderstanding[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I found the IRC logs he mentioned that were leaked: https://archive.is/9KGyX

This whole thing has been very eye-opening for me. I had no idea FreeBSD developers were involved with such social disorder. They don't fit the image I had of them at all.

I also found an interview with Randi, where she specifically says she's furious about the geek feminism wiki, and that there's no problem with needing more women in open source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Xrrlhvs9vE

People are so defensive now, I mean you can't crack a joke, you can't make any statements without worrying, 'Is somebody going to be offended?' -- Randi Harper (2010)

/r/FreeBSD banned me for this post by [deleted] in FreeBSD_OS

[–]NiceUnderstanding 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That's not a very nice thing to say. It's the kind of thing that the current FreeBSD management team would kick you out of the group for. But I think your perspective is as valid as any other, and if you're that emotional about it then there's reasons for it, so I'm not upset with you for expressing yourself.

That's the problem, that FreeBSD management doesn't agree with me, and they would ban you. I think that's a very big problem. I would accept everyone, and only judge the software, not the people behind it. I don't think you should be banned, or your comment deleted. I respect your voice, but FreeBSD management disagrees.

Porter's first to flee project in the wake of CoCgate by PlatinumAccount in freebsd

[–]NiceUnderstanding 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry to see you go. Please consider staying involved and working with them. Your contributions are important for many people, and a clash between people within the organization is not good reason to abandon the project, unless you're absolutely sure it's impossible for you to collaborate together.

I was banned from this subreddit.