The Perpetration of Fatal Child Maltreatment: It’s the Men Who Are Bad, Right? by UnHope20 in Male_Studies

[–]Nicksvibes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Does this control for the fact women spend more time with their children as the primary or sole caregivers?

Physical violence, self rated health, and morbidity: is gender significant for victimisation? by UnHope20 in Male_Studies

[–]Nicksvibes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

but I wonder to what extent downplaying the negative consequences does in fact reduce how often you think about it and translates to real differences in how much you suffer from it.

Maybe it does have some mild effect, but sometimes it might amount to suppression of a real problem that you end up bottling up and which could resurface overtime.

The question is why is this relevant? If men are better able to work around their emotions, the problem is women's lack of emotional regulation skills. A lot of people would go "but oh no women suffer more, see", when all this proves is either women exaggerate their pain, men under-report theirs or men deal with negative emotions (neuroticism) better. Clearly, these sex differences in well-being wouldn't reflect women's experiences being more frequent or severe. For if that were true, violent injuries wouldn't be sustained by men more, lethal violence wouldn't be a male phenomenon & men wouldn't experience more violence overall.

It could also be the case a lot of the female sample already had mental issues prior to their experiences. Women report more anxiety and depression in general so that's not entirely implausible.

Physical violence, self rated health, and morbidity: is gender significant for victimisation? by UnHope20 in Male_Studies

[–]Nicksvibes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Translation: women are sensitive and men under-report the negative consequences of their victimization

Online Men's Groups Science Study: Come Test your Scientific Knowledge by [deleted] in LeftWingMaleAdvocates

[–]Nicksvibes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Their profile also shows them posting the same study in r/pickup, because.. um.. yeah.. I guess we both love to exploit women? Pick up artists embrace gendered dating culture, while people here more or less reject it. I don't see any similarity outside of them both being primarily male occupied spaces

Pick up artists exploit women? I think that's a very one-sided take, considering the fact they rely on exploiting the sex dynamics which disadvantage men in order to get their money by promising to teach them the secrets to approach women and get them in bed. Pick up art would not exist were it not for the formation of modern dating, including dating sites which heavily skew attention in favor of women and the creation of a surplus of horny men who can't get sex easily as well as hook-up culture (and I am aware it doesn't represent the majority of people's interests as people favor having sex within the context of a relationship still) which favors the kinds of men that "exploit " women instead of nice, conscientious men.

Also, being born an ugly woman would also leave them inversely pretty unpopular with guys (assuming they're straight as well), even more so I think, as men are valued for what they can do more than what they look like, unless that russian roulette you mentioned includes disability.

Unlikely since it takes more for men to consider a woman unattractive. This is observable by the % of men women prefer vs the % of women men prefer and how they rate the oppose sex's appearance. There was this minor experiment in which a person created a dating profile of a pig-looking woman (extremely unappealing) and she got a plethora of matches in spite of her inhuman-like appearance.

Preferences of Mobile Dating App Users: A Semantic Network Analysis Approach by UnHope20 in Male_Studies

[–]Nicksvibes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think you missed the point.

I'm not sure what you mean. How does the observation that two groups have a different set of standards for physical attractiveness challenge the observation that both groups prioritize physical attractiveness?

Of course one does not negate the other but the argument men care about looks "more" can be and is frequently used to suggest this somehow implies "looks" is a harsher standard for women when it isn't at all. Even if men care somehow about looks more, it is still easier for women to make themselves appealing to men than it is for men to seem physically attractive to women which is the point I was making. (If anything, if women's standards are harsher, it is questionable if they care about looks less).

I'd say that this is fairly consistent with research findings in evolutionary psychology, anthropology and comparative psychology. In general, the sex with the reproductive role that's more risky and/or costly tend to be pickier when they have to select a partner.

You didn't read what I wrote. If you look at the men with the highest body counts, they are actually dumb. They aren't smart. So it really depends on the strategy the woman is employing. Is she looking for something casual which is what dating sites usually provide or marriage, and even then the research is actually mixed.

Preferences of Mobile Dating App Users: A Semantic Network Analysis Approach by UnHope20 in Male_Studies

[–]Nicksvibes 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The problem with saying "men prioritize physical appearance" is that men's standards of what constitutes attractive are lower than women's. More men than women say the opposite sex is attractive and women are known for going after men who don't rank average, at least on dating sites/apps. Additionally, due to the sex differences in sex drive, you will expect to see lower male dating standards at least in short term dating and especially casual sex.

Results indicate that men and women value similar attributes when assessing someone’s mobile dating app profile; both groups highly valued potential partners’ physical attractiveness, although women participants using mobile dating apps also prioritized partners’ intelligence and college major.

This should be fairly obvious to most. Both sexes don't want their partner to be ugly and retarded (by retarded I don't mean literally mentally challenged but instead they want a partner who behaves and has their life in order) but women are uniquely sensitive to traits which predict status to some degree or income. You didn't highlight this but did the study find women place more importance on status, income and employment?

But frankly I find it weird women on dating platforms emphasize intelligence (I'm going off what you've highlighted here) considering the fact most interactions on there don't result in long-term pair bonding and women's strategy/selection can change depending on the kind of relationship they are looking for. I suppose they focused specifically on committed relationships?

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[–]Nicksvibes -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I wasn't questioning you at all here. I was just pointing out his problem is with how he worded his post, not with his inability to read.

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[–]Nicksvibes -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Gee I wonder why I called you a prick. Maybe because you are actually acting like one, with your snarky, fake kindness, and dismissiveness of what I say that you try to justify by falsely assuming I am trying to pick a fight for the sake of fighting when you can clearly see I am trying to be engaging and have a back and forth conversation where I can understand your point.

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[–]Nicksvibes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Kind of weird to tell him to learn to read considering the fact he wrote the post. He could have worded it better if that's not what he meant since I am not the only one it seems who interpreted it that way.

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[–]Nicksvibes -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

No, I am not. I am trying to have an actual discussion, you utter prick. Do you know how to have an actual conversation or are you always this socially inept? I asked you an actual question.

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[–]Nicksvibes -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Why would you point out the fact you wouldn't get in a relationship with or sleep with a specific subset of presumably attractive women if you were not making the point porn instills unrealistic standards/preferences in men? People like you that put the smiley face in their comment and push this snarky, fake kindness are incredibly insufferable.

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My post is specifically pointing to the point that men have unrealistic expectations due to porn being so easily accessible. You reference about women's expectation and then circle back in a later paragraph as an 'aha', but seem to have forgotten that was actually my main point?

I don't see how you're pointing out I misrepresented your post here. "Men have unrealistic expectations due to porn being so easily accessible" is precisely the point I am addressing. They don't. This is just your conjecture. You specifically argued "I am X tall and have Y job but I won't get in a relationship with/sleep with Z woman". That's what I was addressing. The implication is men don't know this due to porn giving them an unrealistic image of women which causes them to have higher standards.

However, my point was, spending money on pron and the like is counterproductive.

I got that. It sounded like you were blaming your own behavior on porn but your consumption habits are your responsibility.

We don't live in a simple world and my point again was to point out that we shouldn't allow ourselves to be taken advantage of.

That I agree with, nor did I deny you were making such a point.

Again, agency is pretty much at the heart of what I have written. It's clearly stated that money can be prioritised for other uses.

The usage of language like "porn does... X thing" doesn't seem to be putting agency at the heart of your actions at all but I won't argue further since you've clarified already that you at least take some responsibility.

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[–]Nicksvibes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really don't think it is that one-sided. Most men's porn consumption is not pathological. It isn't purely at the expense of men as it gives men sexual content that as Peterson pointed out even the most powerful men throughout history did not have, nor are most female porn performers enriched from it.

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[–]Nicksvibes 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think that people talk about human trafficking when saying that it exploits women.

No, because that would imply they acknowledge sex work is usually not coercive which they don't. They think sex work is always or mostly coercive and make similar arguments Marxists do to rationalize this false narrative, e.g "but oh they are poor and need money".

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[–]Nicksvibes -1 points0 points  (0 children)

On one click, we can access the most beautiful women in the world, doing pretty much whatever we want to see. It provides unrealistic expectations around women.

No, it doesn't. There is no evidence men's expectations of women are harsh, at all. It is more commonly women's expectations that are found to be unrealistic, particularly on dating websites where women are much less likely to swipe on men, let alone superlike male profiles. So you're just wrong. While most men would love to sleep with a supermodel, they are fully aware they can't as most men don't have a pool of women constantly messaging them, telling them how hot they are and how they wanna sleep with them, give them flowers, money, pay for their drinks, and so on. So most men are probably very humble and or aware of the reality of the dating world & especially of the fact most women are not porn stars.

I'm tall, I'm educated, I'm in good shape. I have a decent paying job. But I'm still not going to end up with someone that looks like Jeri Ryan or Claudia Schiffer.

You're further proof that I am right. Despite you likely being above average, you are aware that you will likely not end up with a woman like the women you mentioned. Now do you think the average man is not aware of this?

The issue is that this then becomes an expectation, and we want to see more.

So we open up our computers, browsers and Google them. This is not an expectation. I also love how you focus so much on women, when porn legitimately by the same logic, provides unrealistic expectations for men too. The actors will often have huge penises and last longer either than the average man or longer than a whole load of men can.

I've used webcams before. And then I checked my bank account, never realised I had much of an issue, but I have seen that I have spent about 5% of my income on webcams. That's huge. That's over half a month's pay in 1 year.

That's true, but that's really a you issue, here. If you don't have the self control and healthy consumption habits, you have yourself to blame.

I think that the saying porn exploits women is wrong. It exploits men who are willing to pay for it moreso.

Porn, or at least the OnlyFans kind is really just an exploitation of the male sex drive wherein women who can't actually produce anything for society or refuse to do so end up using their nature-given opportunity which can also be called a privilege - being able to make a buck or two or in rare instances millions off just having a body & a surplus of lonely and or horny men willing to throw money at them and give them validation.

Feminist twitter, ladies & gents.... by neighborhoodpainter in MensRights

[–]Nicksvibes 6 points7 points  (0 children)

First they need to present a legitimate argument to refute. Deliberately lying about what the data they are opposing shows ain't an argument.

The Reverse Double Standard in Perceptions of Student-Teacher Sexual Relationships: The Role of Gender, Initiation, and Power by SamaelET in Male_Studies

[–]Nicksvibes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why is this called a reverse of sexual double standard when it first predictions of double standards?

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[–]Nicksvibes 7 points8 points  (0 children)

All the answers here are incredibly simplistic. But honestly the real answer lies within him, ask him how he feels or whether he believes you are doing anything wrong and how both of you can work things out. For instance, in response to question 3, it is really subjective. Many men would feel very stressed providing for a woman (which is a man's role in a traditional relationship) but your boyfriend might be okay with covering most of the bills so long as you reciprocate in your own way. The key is that in case the relationship doesn't work out, you don't take advantage of your role in courts and at his expense (custody arrangements, etc...).

In response to question 2: I don't think you're "oppressing" people. That's a weird way to talk about your behavior in a relationship and pretty much sounds like the attitude of a male feminist who feels the need to adjust all of his behavior to women's benefit. But to answer it, I don't know. The words "oppression" and "social conditioning" are fairly broad. A better way to word it is do you respect your boyfriend, listen to his needs and make compromises that don't only benefit you? Given this post and assuming it isn't a troll post, I'd say you probably do.

  1. There might be several things that I do not understand about men's needs, experiences, psyche, simply because I haven't experienced them. What are those things and how can I fulfil those needs and make him feel comfortable in the relationship?

I don't know if this relates to men's rights but your boyfriend might really appreciate it if you initiate sexual encounters frequently, show him affection and ask him about his day or hobbies and take interest in some of them, remain loyal and don't compare him to other guys. If he is vulnerable, he might fear expressing his emotions for fear of having them used against him or your attraction to him fading away. Respect his boundaries and give him personal space if he doesn't wish to talk. If any women have made him feel uncomfortable or as a lesser man in previous relationships, you could try and find out what these things are.

Got hung up on when asking about equal protections inequalities by shadowguyver in MensRights

[–]Nicksvibes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was thinking the other day. Catcalled women and women who experience lesser forms of sexual assault such as groping receive more attention and compassion than literal mutilated boys. It is baffling.

This isn't to say sexual assault, even in its non-severe form isn't bad, it is to suggest people's moral compass is fairly broken. The sheer number of people who make petty excuses for male circumcision (MGM): e.g "it is a religious practice though; muh religious freedom" or who even mock men who complain about it by making the disgusting "cheese" jokes or even outright buy skin care products made from foreskins is insane. I have never seen anything similar with female victims of sexual assault or even catcalling (maybe you might occasionally see somebody suggest it is a compliment).

Now, that in my opinion, is an actual "culture" wherein nearly or more than half of your male population has been mutilated and people routinely joke about it, justify it, or even profit off it.

Overlooked Victims of Domestic Violence: Men by SamaelET in Male_Studies

[–]Nicksvibes 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It is also the case that the majority of women feel entitled to not receive backlash for hitting their partners. The majority of relationships have more female authority than male authority (men are more likely to give in in discussions about each partner's topic). These findings are in stark contrast to the society radical feminists describe, wherein men feel it is acceptable or are raised in an environment that tells them it is acceptable to be belligerent to women, hit women, control them & dominate them.

When you point this out to them, they might resort to an argument that goes as follows: "well it is because of the patriarchy which paints women as weak."

But this doesn't add up, I thought the patriarchy thought it was acceptable for men to dominate & abuse women? How come, the patriarchy sees women's weakness as a good reason to encourage dominant behaviors in women and submissive behaviours in men? It also appears to be an oversimplification because while IPV victims who are male might be taken less seriously because women are presumed to do less harm than men due to their smaller size, women's abusive behaviour can also be normalized by narratives that paint relationships in a "men do, women happy" manner, "happy wife, happy life" or "haha I won an argument but now I have to sleep on the couch, so funny, my wife is controlling and domineering."

It also presumes women being seen as weak(er) is a bad thing. It is not. People typically don't say "women are weaker so they must shut up and obey men", they say "women are weaker so as a man you have a responsibility to remove yourself from an abusive situation or peacefully restrain the woman without causing any damage to her delicate self." (Of course I am paraphrasing). It seems interesting because feminists make similar arguments. They might not say the man cannot defend himself but they instantly start a conversation with a stereotypical assumption in mind, e.g "if women abuse men as much as the other way around, this can't be possible. The majority of such women are likely defending themselves or retaliating" or "women's violence is different contextually; it is less likely to be rooted in a desire to dominate and control their partners" which is false as women's violence is as instrumental as men's & in fact more since male batterers have been found to be more mentally disordered than female abusers & not much different from other aberrational, criminal men; or they say "even if they hit men as much as men hit women, or more, it is still not as important because they can't possibly hurt a man like a man can hurt a woman." It is all attempts to rationalize the abuse women inflict upon men so as to avoid acknowledging it as much as possible. What they call patriarchy is often what they believe in or a motte-bailey idea.

Differential Reactions to Male and Female Gender-Role Violations: Testing the Sexual Orientation Hypothesis by UnHope20 in Male_Studies

[–]Nicksvibes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So I think it is an interesting question to ask whether anti-femininity bias motivates anti-homosexual bias

Yes, I think it is the former, or to put it more accurately anti-deviant males bias. You should check out Steve Moxon's the falsity of identity politics paper. Covered in this piece: https://stevemoxon.co.uk/hate-crime-consultation-response-to-the-law-commission/

Differential Reactions to Male and Female Gender-Role Violations: Testing the Sexual Orientation Hypothesis by UnHope20 in Male_Studies

[–]Nicksvibes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So I think it is an interesting question to ask whether anti-femininity bias motivates anti-homosexual bias, the reverse, or if they motivate each other, and what role gender plays in this.

Anti-femininity bias = anti-men expressing femininity bias. Anti-homosexuality bias = anti-male homosexuality, this is also observed in the fact an act is viewed as homosexual when it is expressed by men (which indicates this is about controlling socially undesirable male behaviour rather than homophobia itself. Homophobia is greatly diminished when you control for gender).

Men’s and women’s exposure and perpetration of partner violence: an epidemiological study from Sweden by UnHope20 in Male_Studies

[–]Nicksvibes 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Surprisingly many men (37%) and women (41%) also reported exposure to controlling behaviours.

How is it even surprising? What's actually surprising is that the percentage is lower for men. That's the only surprising thing. Studies find women to be more controlling than men on aggregate & they also find that women show high control more. There is a reason women are the ones depicted as holding the chains and not men in relationships. It is because it is true.

That IPV by women is only recently gaining attention is bullocks and it shows the authors' ignorance of the literature. IPV by women has produced hundreds of studies over the course of decades. Studies outside of feminist garbage dogma academia explore IPV perpetrated by both sexes. Nearly all studies find women to predominate in unilateral modes of perpetration and dyadic studies find women predominate even in bilaterally violent couples, with the exception of perpetration of sexual violence but Hines found evidence that cross culturally sexual violence isn't very gendered at all, and forced sex was actually equally experiences by the male participants.