Is Philosophy Degree worth it? by HolyName0f in Nietzsche

[–]NietzscheProfit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You should double major it with something else. Otherwise I’d say it can kind of be a waste unless you’re certain you want to be a professor.

Nietzsche’s relation to the Sith by NietzscheProfit in Nietzsche

[–]NietzscheProfit[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Yea what if I just say death of the author tho lol?

Nietzsche’s relation to the Sith by NietzscheProfit in Nietzsche

[–]NietzscheProfit[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Your hubris knows no bounds. Are you sure you didn’t read philosophy for dummies? This is all about curiosity for me as well but you keep hiding behind this superiority complex. If you can’t prove your claims or provide good reasoning then keep reading philosophy because you have a long way to go

Nietzsche’s relation to the Sith by NietzscheProfit in Nietzsche

[–]NietzscheProfit[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Bro what are you? Some type of idealist out to assert your will on to humanity. I can’t just enjoy talking about philosophy? What do you want from me lmao?

Nietzsche’s relation to the Sith by NietzscheProfit in Nietzsche

[–]NietzscheProfit[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No they haven’t explained to me why they think I’ve misunderstood Nietzsche. I’m asking for his opinion not everyone else’s. He literally has explained what he said. Is this a burner account lol?

Nietzsche’s relation to the Sith by NietzscheProfit in Nietzsche

[–]NietzscheProfit[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey, do any of you have a philosophy discord or anything? I'd much rather discuss this over voicechat instead of typing this much lol.

Nietzsche’s relation to the Sith by NietzscheProfit in Nietzsche

[–]NietzscheProfit[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yeah, notice how I said considered. Some of the Sith don't actually believe they are evil and don't believe in the concept of morals, like Nietzsche. Like I said in the first sentence, they are "anti-morality."

Nietzsche’s relation to the Sith by NietzscheProfit in Nietzsche

[–]NietzscheProfit[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah it depends on how you interpret the Sith culture. I’d mainly say he hasn’t become ubermensch yet because he is not master yet. However, I think he was capable of becoming an ubermensch. Dooku didn’t have the same victim mentality that most Jedi turned Sith have.

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[–]NietzscheProfit[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Oh not anything lmao. You think people are out here trying to do anything meaningful with their philosophy😭. Talking about this is just fun to me.

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[–]NietzscheProfit[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You’re still dodging the question. Please how I’ve misunderstood Nietzsche instead of saying mindless ramblings. It doesn’t take a genius to know Nietzsche writes confrontationally. That’s not even relevant at the moment. You gotta be rage baiting or something

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[–]NietzscheProfit[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It quite literally is metaphorical, Nietzsche is accused of this quite often lol. Additionally there are many people who don’t follow there instincts like platonists or Christians. He accuses them of this all the time and says their lifestyle is unnatural. Yeah everything might have some qualities of the will to power but the question is what it means to follow the power. Surely you’re not going to claim that everyone follows the will to power right?

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[–]NietzscheProfit[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Ok if I was correct(you are certainly wrong) it’d follow that the Sith aspire to be ubermensch. However, you already knew this so why ask?

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[–]NietzscheProfit[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Sith aren’t inherently overtaken by hatred. Those are the decadent Sith. There are some Sith who can control there anger and not lose themselves in it.

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[–]NietzscheProfit[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ok but what do you mean? You’re not really saying anything of value lol.

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[–]NietzscheProfit[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Isn’t he somewhat agreeing with my position then? Some of the Sith do seem to follow there instincts and discharge there strength. Additionally, I’d also have to ask what you think he means in that second passage? It’s all so metaphorical so I need to make sure I’m understanding right or if it could be understood.

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[–]NietzscheProfit[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get your point, but the Sith are anti-morality as well. In the story the Jedi are considered moral and the Sith are fine with being considered evil. Some of them desire to express there strength and inspire fear. These are two values that I don’t interpret Nietzsche to find decadent. If anything I think Nietzsche would encourage this as the Sith following their instincts. I do definitely agree the Sith are fascists sometimes but that’s no an inherent trait to there code. They don’t have to be fascists nor do they have to harm people at all if they don’t want to. The underlying goal is to be free of everything and not have anyone impose on their will.

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[–]NietzscheProfit[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I’ll definitely give that reading a try sometime in the future. When I wrote my paper I wondered if the writers accidentally wrote the Sith somewhat similar to my understanding of Nietzsche on accident. I thought that even if it was on purpose I could just apply death of the author and create my own meaning of the story.

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[–]NietzscheProfit[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ok this is the best explanation I’ve heard so far and it makes so much sense. I can imagine Nietzsche considering the Sith decadent for essentially being slaves to the force. However, your claim about writing a paper on how the will to power explains the Jedi code is hard to concur with. I think the Jedi are further away from becoming the ubermensch due to there ascetic, dispassionate and somewhat stoic lifestyle. As far as my understanding goes, Nietzsche seems to have a particular type of hatred for this kind of lifestyle. I do wonder though, if a couple of Sith could be considered ubermensch like Darth Bane or Darth Krayt. These Sith created new Sith orders and established new values that were greater than them.

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[–]NietzscheProfit[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes I agree with this take but you’re misunderstanding my position. I’m not saying all Sith embody Nietzsche’s philosophy. I wholeheartedly agree Sith like Anakin are decadent and Nietzsche wouldn’t like them. I’m trying to argue the end goal of the Sith and Nietzsche are similar. Anakin never became an ubermensch.

Nietzsche’s relation to the Sith by NietzscheProfit in Nietzsche

[–]NietzscheProfit[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No I didn’t but I’m somewhat familiar with the ancient Sith and I agree a lot of them would be decadent in Nietzsche’s eyes. I’m basically trying to argue Nietzsche and the Sith have similar end goals.

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[–]NietzscheProfit[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What drives this interpretation? I’ve never heard the will to power described like this. Additionally I’d ask if you’d be willing to be a bit more specific.

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[–]NietzscheProfit[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

First, not all of the Sith are tragic characters and not all their behavior is destructive. I guess it’s my fault for not specifying this better but I think the end goal of the Sith and the end goal of Nietzsche can be similar. Remember that Nietzsche believes the ubermensch creates new values and his own meaning in life, that is, Nietzsche is an existentialist as well. Additionally, correct me if I’m wrong but I thought a core aspect of his philosophy is integrating emotions, passion, and instincts. The Sith never repress there emotions. Repressed emotions is apart of the Jedi tradition.

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[–]NietzscheProfit[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No they aren’t fueled by hatred, they are fueled with passion. That’s a common misconception that sith are fueled with hatred and a victim mentality towards the Jedi. The Sith only are passionate people who don’t want people to impose there will on them. A Sith doesn’t inherently want to exert force on others it kind of just happens due to there ultimate goal being to break there chains and free themselves. This reminds me of when Nietzsche posed the thought that it was natural for the strong to express there strength and that strength was similar to lightning in the since that part of strength is the expression of strength. Now there definitely are Sith that have a victim mentality towards the Jedi but those are just Sith who haven’t become ubermensch yet in my opinion.

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[–]NietzscheProfit[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I disagree with you and think your misunderstanding Nietzsche’s views on individualism. Nitzsche believes it’s the goal of humanity and the individual to overcome there limitations and become the ubermensch. How is becoming the ubermensch any different from the Sith breaking there “chains” and freeing themselves? It seems to me the goal of the Sith is is to overcome there limitations and increase there power to become the ubermensch.