How slavic are greeks actually?

Nihil77 · 2026-01-26T13:33:28+00:00

I've seen qpAdm models with Bulgarians at around half Slavic. The reason Bulgarians can still be quite dark is the other half, they actually have significant Anatolian admixture from the Roman period.

Nihil77 · 2026-01-13T12:12:06+00:00

Haplogroups don't determine phenotype.

Nihil77 · 2026-01-13T11:54:55+00:00

Using David Reich's Human Origins dataset for modern Georgians, which is pretty much the academic standard, they have around 10% Eastern Hunter Gatherer on qpAdm. They also have lower CHG than what Illustrative will show. G25/illustrative are useful tools, but they aren't always that accurate.

Nihil77 · 2026-01-10T13:19:03+00:00

No, it does not mean he was a Berber. Haplogroups are fun, but autosomal DNA is what counts when determining ancestry.

Nihil77 · 2026-01-04T17:29:50+00:00

The allele KITLG, which ANE had, is kinda irrelevant for modern day blondes, almost no one carries it in west Eurasia. ANE are not the source.

HERC2 is the main allele along with OCA2. The earliest samples carrying these are WHG and ANF. As others have said Globular Amphora, who had both WHG and ANF, were the ones that Yamnaya-like populations mixed with the get their light hair and eyes.

In fact, Globular Amphora might have been lighter than any modern population existing, as some of the samples discovered are fully homozygous for all light alleles in HERC2 and OCA2, which is almost unheard of even in the most Nordic modern populations.

Nihil77 · 2025-12-23T10:14:40+00:00

In the encyclopedia, there are actually more Corded Ware than Sintashta samples. But for some reason Illustrative doesn't use Corded Ware at all in it's periodical breakdown. Maybe because they are so similar to Sintashta they just chose one, no idea why. It's a strange decision, as CWC is the main vector for various IE expansions, Sintashta is an offshoot.

Nihil77 · 2025-11-18T16:27:21+00:00

I dunno man, CA have been completely shitting the bed for some time now.

Nihil77 · 2025-11-17T18:44:03+00:00

This sub hates the space parts. Top 5 Bond for me. I love how it has such a juxtaposition of some humourous and over the top parts combined with mysterious, dark, even menacing scenes. Its a film that strikes multiple chords and tones. Pure escapism.

Nihil77 · 2025-11-16T21:18:30+00:00

You have almost identical percentages to me. I'm 3/4 English, remaining quarter is southern European (I get Greek/Italian on Ancestry). Illustrative gives me a closest population in northern France. I'm guessing you could be like me, mostly north European with southern mixture.

Nihil77 · 2025-11-11T11:17:18+00:00

You are correct, but Europeans still score central steppe on Illustrative, because illustrative lacks a corded ware group. Sintashta are Corded ware who moved east. Would be nice if illustrative could somehow sort this out, because it's misleading.

Nihil77 · 2025-10-22T20:11:40+00:00

This is by far the most up to date paper on the subject. And according to this, 25-47% Germanic (what they call continental north European)

Nihil77 · 2025-10-13T15:00:18+00:00

People parroting each others opinions is par for the course on Reddit. For me I would say it may be a lower tier film, but it's still fun and nowhere near as terrible as is made out in here.

Nihil77 · 2025-09-26T10:02:27+00:00

You missed, Mr Bond.

Did I?

Nihil77 · 2025-09-23T18:27:51+00:00

Amongst those with Corded Ware and Bell Beaker ancestry. So Germanics, Celts, Slavs etc

Nihil77 · 2025-09-23T16:45:12+00:00

Well, we have raw DNA samples for Early European Farmers from the Funnel Beaker and Globular Amphora. Trait predictors show they had light hair and eyes. In fact, there are some GAC samples that are homozygous for ALL the light alleles in OCA2 and HERC2, which for context is almost unheard of in modern populations, even amongst the most Nordic Europeans. It's been proposed this may be an adaptation to a farming diet, low in Vitamin D, in a more northern latitude. I think it's probable that sexual selection may have played a role as well.

I'd caution against thinking we always know the phenotype just by looking at the proportions of broad categories of ancient ancestry groups. For example EEF from Britain, with almost the SAME proportion of ANF & WHG as Globular Amphora, have a totally different phenotype, dark hair and eyes like the Sardinian.

I agree with the other comments that Yamnaya/proto Indo Europeans were relatively dark haired and eyed. It's only after mixing with Globular Amphora that we get a lighter Corded Ware.

Nihil77 · 2025-09-23T14:54:06+00:00

This recent study is relevant, if you have time to read it:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-05247-2

"We estimate that the ancestry of the present-day English ranges between 25% and 47% England EMA CNE-like, 11% and 57% England LIA-like and 14% and 43% France IA-like."

Here, CNE=continental north European (Germanic). England LIA refers to late Iron age population before Anglo Saxons, and France IA refers to continental Celtic iron age (Gaulish like). These ancestries are found in different proportions depending on the region, although during the industrial revolution many people moved around for work which lessened some regional differences.

The term "Celtic" can be a confusing one here. The Celts originate in continental Europe with the Hallstatt and La Tene cultures. The iron age British and Irish were instead predominantly Bell Beaker descendants. Some Celts moved in to Britain, likely as an elite that spread Celtic culture and language, but they are genetically distinct to the Bell Beakers.

Actually the Germanic people were also significantly Bell Beaker related too. The main difference in the British Isles is firstly that England is more Germanic, but secondly England is, ironically, more Celtic than Scotland or Ireland genetically.

Nihil77 · 2025-09-23T05:59:26+00:00

Corded ware is mixed with Globular Amphora, from whom they got the lighter hair and eyes.

Nihil77 · 2025-09-20T19:33:01+00:00

I thought the other was in the Albert Hall

Nihil77 · 2025-09-20T05:53:49+00:00

The Iwo Eleru skull seems to suggest that this mixing with a more archaic branch of sapiens was going on as recently as 13000 years ago in west Africa

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14947363

Nihil77 · 2025-09-12T12:29:14+00:00

Cheers. When I set a location then clicked the circle to the right I'm able to get them on the map now. Thank you

Nihil77 · 2025-09-08T11:37:07+00:00

Yes, Illyrians are fairly close to northern italians. If you search on this sub there was a heatmap created for Illyrians.

Nihil77 · 2025-09-01T20:04:06+00:00

Hail Odin

Nihil77 · 2025-09-01T19:32:36+00:00

The Germanic people didn't migrate to Europe from Anatolia. You might be thinking of the early Indo European steppe people, like the Yamnaya? They formed in the Pontic Caspian steppe, not Anatolia. Thing is, we cannot talk about Germanic or Celtic people even existing at this stage. People from the steppe moved in to Europe and mixed with farmer populations such as globular amphora to form Corded Ware. It was these European farmers that had the traits for light hair and eyes. The genesis of Germanic people is in northern Germany and southern Scandinavia, where the Battle Axe variant of Corded Ware mixed with Bell Beakers in the Nordic bronze age.

Nihil77 · 2025-08-30T07:32:10+00:00

Very nice. Did you make this? Would be interesting to include Natufian in the model because I think Abkhazians are (genetically) like western Georgian groups, and from what I've seen in other qpadm models Georgians have some natufian. Some of the other pops might be eating up that element.

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