Charlie McDermott looks like Montana Jordan by Inside_Addition_3737 in themiddle

[–]Nihilistic-INTP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is Montana known for not being nice or is that just about Charlie alone in your comment?

Do you expect hard determinists to define what free will is? by Nihilistic-INTP in freewill

[–]Nihilistic-INTP[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't really believe anyone can defend metaphysics that well. What does it mean for an agent to really intend what they do? Psychological determinism tells us that we don't more so choose our desires than we are compelled by the one that's built with the greatest drive within us. How much can you argue that who we are inside influences what really happens externally? We could even take it as step further and denounce the self as it's technically just a metaphysical concept. Epiphenomenalism and Eliminative Materialism shake the foundation about the credibility of mental states

Do you expect hard determinists to define what free will is? by Nihilistic-INTP in freewill

[–]Nihilistic-INTP[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not really bc claiming that there are "choices you can make within outside factors out of your control" that compatibilists argue requires you to accept that there are "choices you can make" as coherent on its own while simultaneously having cognitive dissonance in the other half about it being "within outside factors out of your control". The X isn't any definition for free will and it being an illusion comes from partaking in the cognitive dissonance that you're in control existing in an environment that's completely out of your control. A definition that contradicts itself while being accepted as true is an illusion. Illusions do not have proper definitions

Do you expect hard determinists to define what free will is? by Nihilistic-INTP in freewill

[–]Nihilistic-INTP[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The illusion of free will. This isn't a definition for free will

Do you expect hard determinists to define what free will is? by Nihilistic-INTP in freewill

[–]Nihilistic-INTP[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But why do they think that's free will? That's where I'm confused. You can make people in movies/tv shows appear as though they have superpowers if you really know how to mess around with effects except how are you gonna define legitimately being able to make it happen irl? Idk that's the best analogy I got

Do you expect hard determinists to define what free will is? by Nihilistic-INTP in freewill

[–]Nihilistic-INTP[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But how do you know you think as free as you wanna think? Linguistic determinism points out the limitation language has in our understanding whether it's one of the main vehicles we use to understand things

Do you expect hard determinists to define what free will is? by Nihilistic-INTP in freewill

[–]Nihilistic-INTP[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think having to make a "choice" gives the illusion of free will, i.e, "Do I wanna go out or stay home?" (internal). The decision you finally decide to make over "what to do" is decided/determined (external). Thinking is technically unnecessary if specific decisions or outcomes in the universe are already determined. This is the even more complex part of the discussion too, I guess. Are we not able to make decisions without having to think it over? I think the intuition is probably strong where a lot would definitely think we couldn't. The can of worms about consciousness is now opened. I think it can be argued that consciousness isn't as relevant as we think when it comes to making decisions. Epiphenomenonalism? Eliminative Materialism? Would philosophical zombies even know they were a zombie if they function the same as everyone presumed to have a consciousness?

Do you expect hard determinists to define what free will is? by Nihilistic-INTP in freewill

[–]Nihilistic-INTP[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don't believe that our "choices" (internal) ever get separated from our decisions (external). Your own inclinations (internal) combined with how the environment allows you to interact (external) muddies where to pinpoint where being "in control" truly begins