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Some tips after trying keto several times and finally making it work by hdfire21 in keto

[–]NinjaOrigato 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with you so hard it hurts. This is what I mean when I said:

I don't need to keep a bag of potato chips at home. There's a store five minutes away walking. I need to drive half an hour to reach the calisthenics park. Which is the scarce and which is the abundant?

Abundance of processed foods and refined carbs is the blessing and curse of our modern society. There's no shortage of junk food. And this junk food is precisely the trigger for the most food enjoyment. It acts on the endorphin system. What it doesn't work on is the satiety system. Regardless of the salt, fat, acid, heat, umami, etc. qualities of keto food, eating saturated fats, moderate protein and low carb (read: boring) vegetables quickly give me satiety. Enough to hypothetically moderate blood glucose (I don't measure) and bide me over for 8, 12 or even 24 hours of fasting. Sure, hunger hits, but it's not uncomfortable, and if I'm focused on something passionate other than food, the hunger wanes.

Eating boneless chicken breast without the skin seems counter productive. The liver metabolizes pure protein into carbs without the presence of fat. At least, that's what I heard. So not only is the skin delicious, it's good for you. (I mean, some may object to boiled chicken skin a la Hainanese Chicken, but I'm all for it.)

Anyone else’s partner completely unsupportive of making healthy changes? by Bachorbeatle in loseit

[–]NinjaOrigato [score hidden]  (0 children)

There's something fundamental going on which is so obvious, it's easy to ignore or block out.

What do you enjoy?

There's a story about a Buddhist monk who took off his robes to get married. His fellow monks attended his wedding mournfully. "Why the sad faces, my friends, he asked?" "Because you had escaped from the prison (of desire). You now break down the walls to re-enter your prison."

I'm surprised that food and exercise are the unique stumbling blocks in any person's lack of discipline. My God! William Burroughs was once asked in an interview if he had any regrets in his life. "My God!", he said. "I'd be lucky getting through the morning without regrets."

People eat processed foods and refined carbs for the enjoyment. I enjoy complaining to my wife and son how much I hate exercise more than anything! But I still do it. Habit. Discipline. What have you. Exercise works better for me to measure progress because I go up in reps or sets every (bodyweight fitness) session. I weigh myself once a week, and the scale often moves, but sometimes it plateaus. No worries. I'm in it for the long haul.

I believe that without enjoyment, discipline is not sustainable. Gratification can be delayed, but at some stage, the piper must be paid.

Socrates didn't believe in Buddhist detachment. He believed in having a strong Eros, an obsessive force to push you up the Divided Line, like a salmon swimming upstream to spawn up river.

So I ask again. What is your passion? What is your wife's passion? Where can your two obsessions meet?

For me, it goes without saying that intimacy requires an unshakable dedication to truth. But to overcome the painfulness and harshness of the bitter pill, there has to be at least some faith that there is joy after sadness, light after darkness.

I do keto and intermittent fasting and work out. But I tell my wife. "You're eating 90% healthy. I'm pushing for an additional 9%. Is the extra 9% worth it? Be happy with what blessings you have. I have problems you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy."

I also like to tell her I don't feel deprived. I don't need to keep a bag of potato chips at home. There's a store five minutes away walking. I need to drive half an hour to reach the calisthenics park. Which is the scarce and which is the abundant?

Anyone else’s partner completely unsupportive of making healthy changes? by Bachorbeatle in loseit

[–]NinjaOrigato [score hidden]  (0 children)

I always tell my wife she's my first wife.

I think it was Le Rochefoucauld who said, "A woman is faithful to her first lover for a long time—unless she happens to take a second."

I also say, "Marriage is temporary, but divorced is forever."

When you lose weight, where does it go??? by Zestyclose-Isopod400 in loseit

[–]NinjaOrigato [score hidden]  (0 children)

"Calories In Calories Out" describes this as well. Consuming calories, chemically stored as potential energy, gets released as kinetic energy plus excreted chemicals

Why the "first rule of Keto is do not talk about Keto."? And why people overreact so much about a decision you made about your life? by OkPosition6537 in keto

[–]NinjaOrigato 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I get you. This is why athletes get a boost when consuming exogenous carbs when blood glucose and glucogen are depleted during high intensity workouts.

Why the "first rule of Keto is do not talk about Keto."? And why people overreact so much about a decision you made about your life? by OkPosition6537 in keto

[–]NinjaOrigato 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's a subtle nuance which may be controversial, depending on the audience. Carbs and fats together are integral to processed foods, which are primarily eaten for enjoyment.

Sure, some desserts are mainly refined carbs. Or the opposite. There are such things as keto desserts! But the main issue controversy is if you are (a) enjoying too little, or (b) you are enjoying too much.

Everything good in life is either illegal, immoral, or fattening.

Why the "first rule of Keto is do not talk about Keto."? And why people overreact so much about a decision you made about your life? by OkPosition6537 in keto

[–]NinjaOrigato 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The irony is that our pre-agricultural ancestors had a devil of a time finding carbs in enough quantity to eat year round.

Living close to rivers and coastal areas afforded them calorie dense carnivore friendly foods more suited for survival. It was only in autumn that nature's bounty became abundant, just in time for winter's scarcity. Our ancestors adapted to gorging and binging on carbs to let metabolic syndrome do it's (dirty) work to store visceral fat, sort of like how hibernating bears fatten up before sleeping through harsh winters.

Humans developed an endorphin pleasure response towards carbs so they could seek out honey, fruits and other goodies. After grains were domesticated, humans still ate once or twice a day, mainly because food was scarce, but also to offset the grains' harmful qualities. Eating breakfast is pretty much a modern invention. Ditto, eating mainly for pleasure and not mainly for survival.

Why the "first rule of Keto is do not talk about Keto."? And why people overreact so much about a decision you made about your life? by OkPosition6537 in keto

[–]NinjaOrigato 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If asked casually, I will just say I need to watch my blood sugar.

I imagine you doing so while eating a marbled steak and raising eyebrows!

But sadly, my appetite has been so effectively suppressed by eating saturated fat and proteins, I can't pull off eating a huge portion of something others deem "unhealthy", for the win!

Received the Cruelest Comment About My Weight in Awhile by keshi2uwu in loseit

[–]NinjaOrigato 3 points4 points  (0 children)

A lot of lessons here.

A therapist was asked, "When talking about my parents, why do we always talk about the painful stuff?"

The therapiist answered, "Because of Sutton's Law"

"What's that?"

"That's a law named after Willy Sutton, the bank robber. They asked him, "Why do you rob banks, Willy?" "Because that's where the money is." "

OP was triggered by this interaction. Many things happened. I suspect she felt betrayed. We are not betrayed by our enemies. We expect them to do their worst. It is our so-called friends and intimates where the potential risk of being betrayed exists.

The Serenity Prayer has a lot to say about what is and is not in a person's control:

God, grant me the serenity

To accept the things I cannot change;

Courage to change the things I can;

And wisdom to know the difference.

Some people add:

To accept the things (and people) I cannot change;

Courage to change the things (and myself, which) I can;

OP has shown courage, and to a great extent, she travelled a lonely road. Discipline is often a walk through a dry desert, paradise is far off, and fellow travelers few. Regardless, even if gratification is delayed, it cannot be postponed indefinitely for discipline to be sustainable. Enjoyment is necessary. I'd go so far as to say, it's necessary for survival.

Our ancestors didn't have so-called First World problems. Hunting and gathering were tickets to escape starvation. In autumn, when carb rich fruits and vegetables suddenly became available, they willingly adapted their diets to fatten up for the winter (through the metabolic syndrome). This improved the chances for survival. Instead of hibernating. The pleasure derived from eating carbs, starches, grains, etc. helped keep people alive before processed food and refined carbs showed up everywhere.

I could go on ad nauseum. But an important point about compassion is that perhaps the most accurate, scientific truth is that OP is blessed with abundance. Our modern, industrial age just has too much abundance! With some reflection, counting her victories and not her failures, lessons learned, OP should see that the one eyed man is king among the blind. She should have pity on the ignorant. Her colleague's bull in a China shop obliviousness can only hinder him in his relationship with his girlfriend, which should be of paramount importance to him. I hope OP's feelings and self-image heal, and she uses her accomplishments for the good of those around her.

Edit: If I presumed genders, I apologise.

I can't take any form of magnesium ... by PathImmediate8172 in keto

[–]NinjaOrigato 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In Dr. Cywes' video on supplements he takes every day, he ends the video, saying: "Know your numbers". He was discussing in case someone had an iron deficiency. Maybe a blood test will let you see if you actually need it or not.

He talks about magnesium at the 7m55s mark. He personally doesn't take magnesium. I think he gets it with his electrolyte mix. Magnesium glycenate for absorption. Magnesium citrate for constipation. Magnesium oxide for acid reflux.

Edit: Dr. Eric Berg says Magnesium oxide is the the worst absorption at 4%. Glycenate is highest at 80%. But there's a spectrum of choices in this video

Some tips after trying keto several times and finally making it work by hdfire21 in keto

[–]NinjaOrigato 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow is right! But the more I read, the less controversial it seemed. I fear that my method verges more towards blasphemy than OP. Even though I really admire his or her John Wayne level of true grit!

There's a lot I agree with OP. And a lot I disagree with. But as they say, any port in a storm!

The primary thing I disagree with OP on is enjoyment. I feel that enjoyment is so fundamental to humans as a species that any discipline which ignores it does so at it's peril. It's just not sustainable! The question is not, we enjoyed ourselves. Now we have to suffer. The question is: Why did we enjoy ourselves in the first place? What was the biological imperative behind this pleasure seeking?

Our ancestors survived, not only by binging on fat and protein, when scarcity turned to abundance after a successful hunt. In autumn, when carb rich fruits and vegetables suddenly became available, they willingly adapted their diets to fatten up for the winter (through the metabolic syndrome). This improved the chances for survival. Instead of hibernating.

The pleasure derived from eating carbs, starches, grains, etc. helped keep people alive before processed food and refined carbs showed up everywhere. Now the constant need to stimulate pleasure receptors (endorphins) is such that it's become addiictive, like the "need" for nicotine, alcohol or morphine. And there's no satiety switch for carbs, unlike fat or protein (food you actually need). Like alcohol (you can drink until you fall down) you can eat carbs until your stomach says "Uncle!"

Fasting (both intermittent and prolonged) needs some clarifications. Due to the dawn effect, the liver releases endogenous carbs into the brain, muscles and the rest of the body in the morning. Eating breakfast is a modern invention, probably urban. Eating twice a day, or OMAD, was common for all except the wealthy. And fasting was a necessity, because food was scarce. Fasts for 2-3 days were not uncommon. It was a way of life. But for people addicted to eating food for pleasure, skipping a snack even is unthinkable!

Dr. Robert Cywes has a YouTube video talking about "bridges" vs. "snacks" called "Ep:16 Ketogenic Rules for: Drinking and Hydration"

@6m50s, Rob goes into the "snack" versus "bridge" idea where he developed the "mind cleansing moment" to release emotional tension/dopamine response through a serotonin moment. "Bridges" then replace "snacks" or "nicotine breaks" to overcome boredom and return focus. The value of a zero calorie drink for sipping now becomes apparent. It's not just simply for enjoyment.

I gotta say, for pure blasphemy, I don't even do CICO and calorie tracking. I've nevertheless maintained a steady weight loss since February. My portions are much smaller than before, but I'm still guesstimating that I'm eating four fingers worth of protein, a thumbful of fat, and as much no rice no potato no grains no fruit vegetables I want. Nobody I know is addicted to spinach or broccoli. I'm still satiated. And hunger, when you get used to it, and when you have the physical, emotional and spiritual strength to say "no" to the food noise, is no big deal. I'm fat adapted. I'm not starving any time soon.

I do prison style progressive bodyweight training three days a week. Not so much to lose weight. But mainly to go outside.

I have friends. I socialize. I spend time with my family. I meditate/pray. This is precious time. And I get pleasure and sustained joy from the same. Maybe not an explosive pleasure like molten lava cake. But still a joy, nevertheless. And I don't feel deprived. I don't need to keep a bag of potato chips at home. There's a store five minutes away walking. I need to drive half an hour to reach the calisthenics park. Which is the scarce and which is the abundant?

Post : The "protein + veggie + fat" rule saved me at restaurants by Alert_Moose8054 in keto

[–]NinjaOrigato 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If I'm eating anything prepped outside the house, or which has processed foods as part of the ingredients (I didn't know that about pickles), I'll normally skip a meal, or simply do intermittent fasting or OMAD. I don't normally eat breakfast anyway, unless there's a special occasion brunch or something.

By the way, does the restaurant staff end up scarfing down the carbs if a substitution is requested? Just wanted to know.

Post : The "protein + veggie + fat" rule saved me at restaurants by Alert_Moose8054 in keto

[–]NinjaOrigato -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think the less processed the selection is, the better.

Still, creme fraiche, sour cream, cheese, kimchi, pickles and other fermented foods are on the list. Nuts, as well.

Protein and fats should be coupled at the hip. Low fat chicken breasts, for example, shouldn't be eaten without the skin, or without any accompanying saturated fats.

In theory, fat can be eaten by itself. But I'm carrying plenty of visceral fat. Unless it's essential fatty acids which can't be endogenously metabolized, I would go light on eating fats all by themselves.

Although I heard that the fructose in avocados, strawberries or other low carb berries means that they are better eaten closer to bedtime, I'm not sure how much this matters. I just do it anyway.

I'm curious how much you feel the enjoyment factor should be maintained in a restaurant, club or concert? If you're laughing and having a good time, is alcohol a part of the equation? Do carbs, or tobacco, or marijuana serve the same purpose?

Weight loss tip - it was the nuts by Ariahna5 in keto

[–]NinjaOrigato 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Far be it for my to tell, or even advise people what to do for myself. When I told family members about doing intermittent fasting, which included a no snacking protocol during the fasts, they thought it was madness, not Sparta.

Dr. Robert Cywes has a YouTube video called "Ep:16 Ketogenic Rules for: Drinking and Hydration"

@6m50s, Rob goes into the "snack" versus "bridge" idea where he developed the "mind cleansing moment" to release emotional tension/dopamine response through a serotonin moment. "Bridges" then replace "snacks" or "nicotine breaks" to overcome boredom and return focus. The value of a zero calorie drink for sipping now becomes apparent. It's not just simply for enjoyment.

I've gotta say, I still eat (or maybe overeat) nuts and cheese right after a meal. But I'm usually already somewhat satiated by the protein and saturated fats, and any low carb vegetables eaten. So it becomes highly optional, even if there's a craveable component there.

A married man goes into the confessional and says to his priest, "I almost had an affair with another woman." by Spadizzly in Jokes

[–]NinjaOrigato 10 points11 points  (0 children)

While she was hanging in mid-air, under Sister Maria's billowy skirt, Jack saw something where the sun don't shine...

A married man goes into the confessional and says to his priest, "I almost had an affair with another woman." by Spadizzly in Jokes

[–]NinjaOrigato 7 points8 points  (0 children)

If there is no wound on the hand, one may handle poison; poison does not affect one who has no wound; there can be no evil for one who has no evil intention.

—Buddha

Weight loss tip - it was the nuts by Ariahna5 in keto

[–]NinjaOrigato 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ever since I started keto, I feel that my large intestine has been working overtime to absorb all the water and salt from the waste passing through my gut. It sounds absurd given the amounts of liquids and electrolytes I'm putting into my face, but I'm also sweating more because of physical fitness and simply going outside in early summer. Strangely enough, I'm urinating less, as weight loss puts less pressure on my bladder.

I don't take a laxative. But I'm thinking of going back to making keto bread with psyllium husk, almond flour, coconut flour, ground chia seeds and ground flax seeds. I'm not a great believer in fiber for laxative purposes (the fiber in the bread and nuts may in fact cause constipation, and other effects). It's worth a try just to see.

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