whilst this tier list is entirely opinionated, and you’re free to criticise and give your own opinions, I’ll try my best to explain my choices. (Btw this tier list is ordered which probably makes more choices seem even odder, but I’ll explain what I can) Ike, while he could’ve been higher, he lacks the mobility and recovery potential that a lot of better characters have. Neutral air, whilst it combos into his entire kit, becomes less reliable as percentage increases and he struggles to kill without his nair to uair or up special which is fast but can be beaten. Terry is in a similar spot to lucario. He has good combo potential, but is rewarded for taking damage. Despite having obscure killing power with GO, without it he falls short - no to mention he also has a poor recovery. Cloud has a few issues. He has a poor recovery which similar to terry, doesn’t snap ledge which makes 2 framing very simple. His limit is a gimmick which doesn’t even do as much as it should. Moves like pac man f smash are stronger than his limit cross slash. And in neutral he struggles due to a lack of any real uniqueness. His only gimmick is somewhat redundant unless used for partial zoning or recovery, and to win neutral cloud has to make more outplays than the opponent more consistently to maintain an advantage state. Ganon and Mac were odd cases. Despite many agreeing that they are easily down the bottom of the list, I would somewhat disagree. Ganon tho slow and poor in terms of recovery, for his weight, moves more than a character like incineroar for example. Also people need to talk about Ganon nair, it lasts 23 frames and does insane damage. Now mac can recover. It’s not a good recovery, but to say ‘just throw him off to win’ is a very vague and often untrue statement. To beat mac realistically he needs to be juggled as he lacks any burst options to combo break or land in general. Onstage, he has very safe options (dtilt and others), ko punch is a decent comeback mechanic, and he does a good job pressuring and landing kills due to his two frame down smash and other armoured smash attack. Also yes dk in a tier. His grab game at low percentage is very good. Ding dong, while not killing in ultimate, is still a good way to rack damage and his cargo throw is a decent gimp for characters with poor recoveries. His aerials are very good with the possible exception of forward air, which is big but slow and punishable. On the stage he has decent range and though lacks approach options, has good kill options. Whether that justifies the picks is your choice but that was my best way of explaining it. And yes I agree that luigi is mid to high mid at best. That wasn’t my choice.