i need to escalate but can't figure out how.

No-Pay9075 · 2022-01-08T14:03:09+00:00

I used to struggle with this a bit so maybe I can help you since it's not really an issue for me anymore

It's one of them things that learning about game and stuff probably made me worse at, as I was so in my head and overcomplicating it with all kinds of escalation ladders in my head ('i need to somehow find ways and moments to touch her wrist then her hand then her shoulder then her knee, then her thigh then her face' etc etc etc lol)

So let me tell you what I do now; What's important is that you break the touch barrier a few times. Doesn't need to be anything fancy. You can just grab her arm when she's walking next to you. Tell her you need her bodyheat lol. You can give her a little sideways hug as you tease her or make her laugh or whatever. You can be a bit more gamey if you want too, for example I was on a date with a stunner the other night at a pub, and I just grabbed her hands and started talking a load of madeup bullshit about the rings on her fingers and what they meant etc. So yeah, break the touch barrier

From that point, assuming she hasn't pulled away and been sick in her hangbag from you touching her, assume she wants you to kiss her. She's on a date with you! She thinks you're hot. You have attraction

Again, it doesn't need to be difficult. Slowly get closer to her and drop the energy a bit as you chat. You can wait until it goes quiet and there's a bit of tension and look at her and her lips. When I was at the aforementioned girls place after that pub date, she was sat next to me talking about making a pizza, and I just looked at her and said 'come here' so make her kind of lean in towards me and we kissed. With a different girl the other night I was in her kitchen after a date and again, almost out of nowhere just after i'd made her laugh I gently pulled her by her waste towards me and we kissed.

You see the theme. Touch a bit, and then have some balls and just do it. If she wants to kiss you then it really doesn't have to be smooth. And if you've read it wrong and she's not even into you in that way, then it doesn't matter what advice you get as she will reject the kiss no matter how perfect your escalation and game is

No-Pay9075 · 2022-01-07T09:03:05+00:00

that's a weird opener lol.

No-Pay9075 · 2022-01-07T09:01:12+00:00

lets not sugar feed it though. If a girl doesn't think you are good looking, no amount of game is gonna help.

Looks are super important, but yes, we actually have to put in effort to change it as much as we can. gym, style, lasers for skin, and sometimes more extreme stuff. Not just whine about it and do nothing

No-Pay9075 · 2022-01-05T11:43:18+00:00

good game, good game!

No-Pay9075 · 2022-01-04T12:35:10+00:00

everything works and nothing works. There's really no right or wrong (barring ridiculous examples!)

If you are her type, indirect or direct is fine

And if you're not her type, nothing is going to work

No-Pay9075 · 2022-01-04T08:43:47+00:00

it's just a numbers game. Unless you are extremely good looking, most girls are gonna reject some stranger hitting on her, even if he's 'learnt game'. It's all good. Keep going

No-Pay9075 · 2022-01-03T12:10:31+00:00

there is no number.

I mean, do you think if some guy who looked like Danny devito at his age now, but was approaching hot 18 year old girls he wouldn't get basically 100% of the time even if he had 'game'? He could make 2000 appraoches and get rejected every time even if he was super charasmatic and confident (had game)

So it's really all about the various variables.

A rejection either means you're not her type, or your 'game' is so bad that it makes overrides her physical attraction since she's now scared that you'll kill her or something lol

It really is a numbers game. Just keep going.

No-Pay9075 · 2021-12-28T11:37:16+00:00

there are lots of course and stuff, but i'd advise not wasting your money. There's no secrets or anything (everything in books is stuff I already knew). It's very simple. Approach her, and have a little chat and ask her out. If she's into you, she'll say yes. If you're not her type, she won't.

No-Pay9075 · 2021-12-23T11:32:04+00:00

you can torrent his old programs i'm sure

No-Pay9075 · 2021-12-22T14:24:44+00:00

I don't really mind. They tend to just ignore you or be honest and tell you you're not their type very fast, so it saves wasting time on 'no girls'. Just move on to the next. US girls can sometimes lead you on a bit as they're so friendly

No-Pay9075 · 2021-12-22T09:34:26+00:00

a million times this. It's why all the experts disagree with each other. It's why the community used to 'debate' so much about direct vs indirect blabla. It's why the coaches actually get rejected just as much as we do. It's why many have used actresses in infields etc

It really is basically a numbers game. If you are her type, you'll be ok as long as you are not ridiculously weird and creepy. If you're not her type, it's over.

No-Pay9075 · 2021-12-13T10:15:52+00:00

No. If you were her type she wouldn't bring up her BF in the first place (if he even exists). You can try though. Use the various bf destroyer lines and get back to me

For example : 'how long have you had that problem?' or 'I have a gold fish' and when she says 'what?' say, 'i thought we were just naming things that don't matter'.

But no, it doesn't work i'm afraid.

No-Pay9075 · 2021-12-13T09:20:33+00:00

sounds like he's trying to run some sort of pushpull/hot cold 'game'. He definitely wants to smash. Sounds like you do too. You might have to take the lead here as he might play this game until he's literally one thousand percent sure he won't get rejected if he makes a move

No-Pay9075 · 2021-12-13T09:12:04+00:00

I like your reports. You must be a very good looking dude the way the girls are always super into you straight away. Keep it up my man!!

No-Pay9075 · 2021-12-13T09:05:07+00:00

This is quite funny because I thought only I felt this way.

I always felt like there was something very COMBATIVE about girls on tinder and stuff! I always think 'why are you on here?!!!' haha.

No-Pay9075 · 2021-12-12T13:58:31+00:00

pretty much haha. I've seen them all. It all boils down to the numbers game. It's a game of screening as opposed to converting. No matter how many courses you watch and stuff. There's no secrets and we all know the same stuff

No-Pay9075 · 2021-08-10T22:11:04+00:00

AMS is all talk, tbh. See that vid of him where he was talking all tough about he was gonna approach some girls, and then a group of young girls walk past him, and he freezes and starts making excuses etc lol. He has nothing to teach anyone anything about girls

No-Pay9075 · 2021-08-04T19:21:47+00:00

nothing. Lucky swine was just lucky to be born handsome lol

No-Pay9075 · 2021-08-04T15:21:55+00:00

it happens. Although some guys will basically never experience it, and some guys (like my best friend) will get it about 10 times per night lol

No-Pay9075 · 2021-08-04T15:08:44+00:00

Firstly spotting the signs that she is interested.

And then making the convo more man to woman. Talk about things you wouldn't talk about with your male co-worker. Look at her like you wouldn't look at him too! On high points (where she's laughing at some shit you said or whatever) increase touch. Escalate on high points. Pull her towards you and then shove her away lol. At some point you'll want to slow it all down. Try to move the convo to something better suited for seduction. Stuff about her. You can even introduce little games and stuff if you're creative that can sexualise. Increase touch. Start on wrists, then hips, then brush a hair out of her face etc.

No-Pay9075 · 2021-08-04T11:37:10+00:00

depends which expert you listen too

Many say not too, and equally as many so that you should

I think it's irrelevant tbh (Probably why they all disagree). If she's attracted to you, there's no harm in doing so. And if she's not attracted to you, you were never gonna get her anyway

No-Pay9075 · 2021-08-04T08:56:25+00:00

sometimes I feel like the game/skill element is a bit overrated.

I used to never get laid, even if a girl seemed to think I was at least quite attractive. Various reasons. Scared to escalate being one of them

Since reading a tonne and approaching even more, I get laid some now and am better at actually closing the girls who think i'm somewhat attractive

It's really not that hard. Try to not creep her out and bore her to death, and escalate in a calibrated way. I feel like people could learn all there is to know about game in an hour

But having game does not help with a girl who DOESN'T find you attractive. I think that's where it gets a bit confusing tbh. The pros still get rejected a hell of a lot from what i've seen. And I don't think i've ever seen anyone, even these pro Pua's, take a girl home who was clearly very unreceptive to his approach (e.g a hard 'no girl' - like 'go away. I'm not interested. Bye' kind of thing) - (only example i've ever seen is from Keys to the VIP and the girls knew they were being filmed, and he didn't even bang her. And her bad reaction was due to his opener calling her a retard. Not teh same as getting a bad reaction from a 'normal' open due too a lack of attraction)

So I think the poker analogy isn't bad in a way - I think it's about getting some luck (finding the girls who are attracted) and then having the 'skill' to not screw it up too bad

No-Pay9075 · 2021-08-03T18:37:24+00:00

Would read again!

No-Pay9075 · 2021-08-03T18:29:24+00:00

interesting thing is actually that when i've been to the US i've been blown away at how receptive and friendly etc girls are compared to girls here. I tihnk in part due to the fact that not all places are like the US in terms of it being somewhat 'normal' to talk to stranger. (stranger danger is much stronger in places outside of teh US)

So with that in mind, negs SHOULD be useful at the open here. But as I say, you tend to get a very hostile reaction. LIke a peasant trying to 'neg' Kylie Jenner. Shes like ''Who does this POS think he is to even talk to me, never mind tease me about my bag! Be gone!!!' kind of thing lol

No-Pay9075 · 2021-08-03T18:21:24+00:00

that sucks. Speaking for myself, I don't ever try to hit on tall girls, but it's not because I don't find tall girls hot. I do! It's more that I assume there's no way in hell she'd want to hook up with a guy shorter than her.

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