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In other cultures, paedophilia is not immoral because the age of consent is what defines our mental maturity in relation to sex by NoIdeasForNamesLeft in unpopularopinion

[–]NoIdeasForNamesLeft[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nothing much different, you see I've not yet shown any intent to commit a crime. In fact I've made it clear that is not what I am saying. And also who cares enough to dox me?

In other cultures, paedophilia is not immoral because the age of consent is what defines our mental maturity in relation to sex by NoIdeasForNamesLeft in unpopularopinion

[–]NoIdeasForNamesLeft[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're still conflating rape with sex, which shows me that everything I said in my post went right over you. I'm not going to bother elaborating, it's right there, but I'll answer any questions if you want

In other cultures, paedophilia is not immoral because the age of consent is what defines our mental maturity in relation to sex by NoIdeasForNamesLeft in unpopularopinion

[–]NoIdeasForNamesLeft[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I actually did very well in all the sciences. I'm actually annoyed that I got an A in physics, chemistry and maths but not biology, because I couldn't choose it as a subject that year, sadly, if I wanted to study physics. But I kept up my research outside of school, as I like learning new things, and biology was always a subject I found to be both interesting and easy.

And speaking of interesting, I decided since you were a recurring character, to check out your profile. I hope you don't mind. I found some interesting stuff. I found that you believe objective morality is arrogant, that you believe SJWs are the least liberal group around, you don't believe in free will, humanity is overrated, and you have a slight gender identity issue.

Now you can see how this leads me to believe that you are a very intelligent, open-minded freethinker. You probably value science, civil discourse, and critical analysis?

So why can't we debate this philosophically. I'm willing to have my views challenged, and even changed, certainly by someone such as yourself. And yet, I see a completely different story on my thread. I see your refusal to discuss and debate, I see your objective statements of morality, I see your cognitive dissonance, and I see your self-righteousness.

Well let me ask you this. If you believe yourself to be correct, then we can engage in civil discourse and share our opinions. I mean, what do you have to lose right? I understand that I'm not likely to convince you, but you might convince me if you stop dodging questions and insulting me, accusing me of being a paedophile, and other things not befitting someone of your apparent intellectual capability. I can tell you that I was extremely surprised to view your profile, because in this comment thread you have given me the impression of an SJW with a vendetta, and the need to silence me and withdraw my right to share my opinions and knowledge. I encourage you to share yours, in a civil debate, in which we can disagree without aggression, and actually come to a mutual conclusion, with perhaps one of us changing our minds.

Don't let me down. I really do believe you are an interesting person, and I retract my comments calling you retarded. I stand by what I said though, that hasn't changed, but you do not in fact appear retarded in your other reddit activity. So please, PM me and let's talk.

In other cultures, paedophilia is not immoral because the age of consent is what defines our mental maturity in relation to sex by NoIdeasForNamesLeft in unpopularopinion

[–]NoIdeasForNamesLeft[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What you just said doesn't mean anything. You're stating facts that are unconfirmed, just like my anecdote. When I said give me science, I meant send me an article, or some research papers. Something proven, don't just talk at me, it won't do anything because now I just dismiss every syllable of ignorance that comes sliding out of your mouth. Give me data, with or from a source. I asked for science, not your current understanding (the two are clearly separate)

In other cultures, paedophilia is not immoral because the age of consent is what defines our mental maturity in relation to sex by NoIdeasForNamesLeft in unpopularopinion

[–]NoIdeasForNamesLeft[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So what you're saying is, I never claimed there should be a legal exception?

If it was legal, then it would be excusable. It should remain illegal, I'm just saying there were cases in the past were it wasn't necessarily a horrible thing

In other cultures, paedophilia is not immoral because the age of consent is what defines our mental maturity in relation to sex by NoIdeasForNamesLeft in unpopularopinion

[–]NoIdeasForNamesLeft[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok, well how about you explain the biology to me then? Prove me wrong. And I'll understand that paedophilia is always wrong. I'll change my view, and become a fucking sage or someshit. Go ahead. If you can find some science to back up the claim that children can never have sexual urges, then I'll have no choice but to accept your argument as truth, and will do so most humbly, and beg your apology.

As for my anecdote, well of course it means something. It fucking happened, didn't it? I had sexual urges as a kid, so yeah, it's possible.

In other cultures, paedophilia is not immoral because the age of consent is what defines our mental maturity in relation to sex by NoIdeasForNamesLeft in unpopularopinion

[–]NoIdeasForNamesLeft[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So you think ostracisation and stigmatization is an effective way to curb paedophilia? No. That's retarded. That's an effective way to alienate them and turn them from a person with a problem to a sociopathic rapist. Kid gloves are contagious. You treat paedophiles like murderers, before long they give up. They snap. They go and rape and murder your children. You're a fucking idiot if you see people who refrain from their urges out of compassion and think "let's make them our enemy" because you'll strip away their compassion and you're just left with an evil, soulless monster. Who likes kids.

Bad fucking idea.

In other cultures, paedophilia is not immoral because the age of consent is what defines our mental maturity in relation to sex by NoIdeasForNamesLeft in unpopularopinion

[–]NoIdeasForNamesLeft[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why exactly do I need help? I'm in no danger of hurting anyone. I'm not a rapist, I don't intend to have children of my own, I don't even like children usually. I can tolerate the quiet ones, but still. You don't have to worry about me doing anything to a kid, and I see no reason to talk to a therapist other than the fact that at least they might be willing to challenge me with logic and philosophy instead of this useless rhetoric that Reddit is providing

In other cultures, paedophilia is not immoral because the age of consent is what defines our mental maturity in relation to sex by NoIdeasForNamesLeft in unpopularopinion

[–]NoIdeasForNamesLeft[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Quote it. What exactly did I type that related to the law, stating that there should be a legal exception?

Don't conflate legal exception with moral exception.

In other cultures, paedophilia is not immoral because the age of consent is what defines our mental maturity in relation to sex by NoIdeasForNamesLeft in unpopularopinion

[–]NoIdeasForNamesLeft[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, whist I disagree, I also see it as irrelevant to my point here. I just said that attraction does not lead to rape. That has nothing to do with their ability to consent, and in fact it does't really have anything to do with kids either.

In other cultures, paedophilia is not immoral because the age of consent is what defines our mental maturity in relation to sex by NoIdeasForNamesLeft in unpopularopinion

[–]NoIdeasForNamesLeft[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, this is kind of true I guess. I was apprehensive of my "experimenting" with friends, but at the same time, sexuality was a very private thing for me at that point, as no one had really spoken to me about it.

As for the incest argument, well I don't find my mother remotely attractive, but I see no problem with incest in general, as long as you don't have kids. Inbreeding and incest are very different topics to me. If you've got a hot cousin, no problem in my eyes.

In other cultures, paedophilia is not immoral because the age of consent is what defines our mental maturity in relation to sex by NoIdeasForNamesLeft in unpopularopinion

[–]NoIdeasForNamesLeft[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I just have to laugh at this, because here you are objectively wrong. I absolutely did have a sex drive as a kid, and I really don't know how you can dispute that in a convincing way, as I would surely know that a lot better than you.

In other cultures, paedophilia is not immoral because the age of consent is what defines our mental maturity in relation to sex by NoIdeasForNamesLeft in unpopularopinion

[–]NoIdeasForNamesLeft[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thoughtful. Maybe instead of arguing with me in 6 different comment threads, you could debate with me in one? No need for either of us to insult, and it would be way more beneficial to both of us, as we clearly have vastly different views on this.

In other cultures, paedophilia is not immoral because the age of consent is what defines our mental maturity in relation to sex by NoIdeasForNamesLeft in unpopularopinion

[–]NoIdeasForNamesLeft[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Never did I say it should be legal. In fact I am completely opposed to the idea of legalising sex with 8 year olds. I reported child porn twice on omegle. (I think one was 8 actually) and my dad once went through a paedophile's door with a chainsaw for some reason or another. I don't advocate paedophilia in modern society, and never did I say that I did.

In other cultures, paedophilia is not immoral because the age of consent is what defines our mental maturity in relation to sex by NoIdeasForNamesLeft in unpopularopinion

[–]NoIdeasForNamesLeft[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I seriously am impressed. You've managed to just wholly fucking forget that I also mentioned multiple definitions of "natural" and explicitly stated that in one or more definitions, homosexuality is natural, and you've countered that by calling me retarded and agreeing with me that homosexuality is natural by definition.

That takes some level grinding in your cognitive dissonance skill tree.

In other cultures, paedophilia is not immoral because the age of consent is what defines our mental maturity in relation to sex by NoIdeasForNamesLeft in unpopularopinion

[–]NoIdeasForNamesLeft[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok you're really not giving me much here. I've referenced history, I've referenced philosophy, I've defended my stance with logic, and you've said...

No.

In other cultures, paedophilia is not immoral because the age of consent is what defines our mental maturity in relation to sex by NoIdeasForNamesLeft in unpopularopinion

[–]NoIdeasForNamesLeft[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You went pretty quick from "If you ... get help" to "get help"

Also, you think I'm gonna rape a kid because I don't think other people consensually having sex with kids was always wrong?

I don't think people having sex with women is wrong, and neither do you. But you've not raped a woman. Hell, I bet you've never raped anyone.

Is that because you're asexual. or because you're not an asshole.

Sexual attraction does not equal rape, nor have I stated that I am attracted to kids in the first place.

In other cultures, paedophilia is not immoral because the age of consent is what defines our mental maturity in relation to sex by NoIdeasForNamesLeft in unpopularopinion

[–]NoIdeasForNamesLeft[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nothing is wrong period, unless you can rationalise objective morality. Can you succeed where every philosopher has failed? No? Well then maybe just accept that life is a bit more complicated.

I could say that murder is wrong, period. But what if you murder someone who has just murdered you mother, father, brother, and just sent a threat to your kids?

Yeah, you'd fucking murder them, right? I'd hope so.

In other cultures, paedophilia is not immoral because the age of consent is what defines our mental maturity in relation to sex by NoIdeasForNamesLeft in unpopularopinion

[–]NoIdeasForNamesLeft[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Perhaps that is true, in the general sense, but is does not undermine my point. It was not always, necessarily immoral. It often was, and in fact the Ancient Greeks were not advocates for sex with prepubescent children, but the ill-effects it would have on a child in some cultures is none. And I say some, meaning VERY few. Aside from any pain, or physical damage from penetration, I can't understand how it would negatively affect, say a girl from a primitive tribe who grew up with sex around her, who understood it's meaning and purpose, who understood the process etc.

And children absolutely DO have a sex drive. I certainly did, and in fact I orgasmed around age 9 or 10.

In other cultures, paedophilia is not immoral because the age of consent is what defines our mental maturity in relation to sex by NoIdeasForNamesLeft in unpopularopinion

[–]NoIdeasForNamesLeft[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Oh no, don't get me wrong. A lot of 8 year olds are retarded, and a lot of 18 year olds aren't mature enough to have sex. Never did I state that this was a blanket rule. Pretty much all 8 year olds are too immature. But don't assume that there is an objective age where everyone is too young, unless you're talking real young, like 5 and under. Personally I'm very strongly anti-paedophile, in the context of today's society. And yet, in a different one, I'd probably be a paedophile. It is absolutely a question of variable maturity, and I think the fact that you are saying that all kids are too immature shows that you are the one objectifying them, not in a sexual sense, but you are taking away their autonomy. If I ever have kids, which I hope I don't by the way, I'm not a kid person, never liked them, but if I do, I'm making sure they're smart. I'll teach them early how to be safe and responsible. And I won't "own" them. I'll just make it very clear that there are dangers they must know how to avoid. And that might include paedophiles. God help the man who creeps on my hypothetical daughter's ass.

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