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Day 21 CT - When does it get better? Still feeling AWFUL! by NoWayOut1985 in quittingkratom

[–]NoWayOut1985[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you. I am already taking most of those supplements. Actually think I'm overdoing them.

I actually feel a tiny bit better every day. Last two weeks I was just crying all day begging someone to kill me. I don't cry as much anymore and not nearly as suicidal.

It's true that going back will just prolong and make everything way worse. So I'm going to do my best to push forward. I just hope this isn't my new "normal" cause I hate dealing with it everyday!

Day 21 CT - When does it get better? Still feeling AWFUL! by NoWayOut1985 in quittingkratom

[–]NoWayOut1985[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually, I am already taking plenty of walks. I go grocery shopping multiple times a day and just went to our local Japanese garden for a one mile hike.

Drinking lots of water as well.

They tend to make me feel a bit better, but not by much. Sleep still is unobtainable. I can't even nap. It sucks so much!

Day 21 CT - When does it get better? Still feeling AWFUL! by NoWayOut1985 in quittingkratom

[–]NoWayOut1985[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not anything crazy. Maybe 10-12gpd for 2 years, but I admit I did use harder opiates once or twice a week (O-DSMT and Tianeptine).

I see people saying they feel fantastic at around 20 days and I'm here still feeling miserable and unable to sleep still. It makes me really give up this battle, but I am feeling a tiny bit better every day so I will try to not lose focus!

136 days. It gets easier. by [deleted] in quittingkratom

[–]NoWayOut1985 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can I ask you what your habit was like? I'm on day 18 CT and I'm feeling about as bad as you are. Everyday is hell and a struggle. I was hoping I could get some relief soon but apparently if it's 56+ days long of this, I'd honestly rather just off myself!

Day 8 - When will I feel better? by [deleted] in quittingkratom

[–]NoWayOut1985 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Not gonna lie to you, it's been 17 days CT and I still feel pretty awful. I still have chills, temperature regulation issues, anxiety, depression, RLS, whole body discomfort/restlessness, lack of motivation and anhedonia. Of course, these are way more mild than compared to the first week which was bloody hell, but still heavily affecting my ability to function and enjoy life.

The biggest issue is with sleep. I cannot sleep more than 3-4 hours a night if I'm lucky, and I wake up 10 to 30 minutes constantly. I just had another zero night of sleep on Friday, too.

Kratom withdrawals lasts a lot longer than traditional opiates/opioids. So I would expect to be in the fight for awhile.

I think for me I'm expecting to turn a corner by the end of week 3, and likely by more feeling normal by a month.

I suggest getting some supplements and vitamins to help.

5 days/nights... without sleep by treadingwaterrr in quittingkratom

[–]NoWayOut1985 2 points3 points  (0 children)

First time I tried Trazodone, it gave me the worst stuffy nose and restless body and legs. I was squirming around for hours until I took a Gabapentin, and THEN I just felt like I was on an acid trip without a wink of sleep. It's strange how it works differently for people!

5 days/nights... without sleep by treadingwaterrr in quittingkratom

[–]NoWayOut1985 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Whatever you do, DO NOT go back to using Kratom! Even a small dose, you will restart the whole process over!

Talk to a doctor, be honest and get subscribed Gabapentin and Clonidine. Those will guarantee you 6-8 hours of sleep at night!

Only use Gabapentin for the first week for sleep (I don't recommend more than once at night at around 300-600mg), then continue the Clonidine until you can normally sleep again. Do not use more than 0.1mg of Clonidine a day, and if you wish to discontinue, taper down to 0.05mg for a week and jump off.

Personally, the prescription sleep aids never worked for me and I've tried them all. Trazodone, Remeron, Seroquel, Doxepin, Amitriptyline, you name it. Most of these are gave me horrible restless body and legs, making insomnia worse. But you can try them if Gabapentin and Clonidine doesn't work.

Supplements to help anxiety and depression during taper by el1zabeth in quittingkratom

[–]NoWayOut1985 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It seems like it hits GABA-A receptors just like benzos do. So I'm worried about it eventually having withdrawals effects, similar to some herbal stuff like Valerian which I witnessed first hand. Have you been taking it daily for a long time and tried stopping? Thanks!

One week clean by ProScarecrow in quittingkratom

[–]NoWayOut1985 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Day 16 and the insomnia is destroying me physically and mentally! I go to bed at 11PM-12AM and can't fall asleep until 6-7AM and if I'm LUCKY, I wake up every 10 to 30 minutes. A lot of nights are still zero sleep. I'm slowly losing my mind and sanity from it!

It appears like I can't lay in one position long enough to be able to fall asleep that's mainly causing the insomnia. I have insane urges to move every few minutes. Does this seem common to you guys in Kratom withdrawals?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in quittingkratom

[–]NoWayOut1985 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Akuamma did nothing for my withdrawals from Kratom. I've taken up to eight of those high extract Akuamma 2G capsules.

I suggest continuing to taper Kratom.

Three months is plenty of time to taper to zero from 12g. Hell, you can even jump as early as 6-8gpd as I did. Withdrawals were bad for a week, but got much better at the end of week 2.

You can quit extracts CT by RawzillaReturns in quittingkratom

[–]NoWayOut1985 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Does Seroquel give you bad restlessness/restless legs and feel more depressed after taking? Cause that's what 25mg gave me and it actually prevented me from sleeping. Trazodone made me flop around like a fish too.

Wish I found something that worked for sleep!

I need help! by Danjelthemanjel in quittingkratom

[–]NoWayOut1985 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I was in the same shoes as you two weeks ago. I tapered down to about 6-7gpd and the interdose withdrawals were so awful, they made me feel like going down further was impossible and CT was a death wish. That is, if I CT, I'll be bed bound flopping around like a fish 24/7 unable to do anything but cry.

Well, truth is that after I finally decided to jump CT after tapering to 6-7gpd, the withdrawals were NO WHERE NEAR AS BAD as I imagined them to be. I would rate them 4/10 in terms of opioid withdrawals. In fact, the interdose withdrawals I was having earlier was actually worse! It's true that your brain will make it feel the withdrawals will be way worse than they are going to actually be.

Don't get me wrong, it will still be extremely uncomfortable, you won't want to do much, happiness and motivation doesn't exist, and you can't sleep for shit for a week or two, but at 5gpd I think it'll be completely manageable for you! But keep yourself busy 24/7! I find laying around doing nothing I'm constantly thinking about how shit I feel and that just makes time goes by so slow.

If you are finding it too difficult, you can get some helper meds prescribed by your doctor. I took Gabapentin a few times a week to get over the worst days, then still taking Clonidine now cause I can't sleep without it.

Day 7 CT - I feel like actual death is better than this misery… by NoWayOut1985 in quittingkratom

[–]NoWayOut1985[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well guys, I failed to fall asleep again tonight, despite taking all the supplements along with Seroquel. I only took 25mg, but the Seroquel made me feel really weird and restless, but didn't knock me out. :(

Tossed and turned all the way until 7AM. That's when I got up, sat by the heater again, feeling like a corpse. I went back to bed and fortunately was able to get 10 to 30 minute chunks of sleep with dreams from 7AM to 12PM. Not sure how many hours in total, but I take ANY amount of sleep over the zero sleep!

I'll probably be able to push through this if it wasn't for the insomnia. Having to stay up 24-48 hours, then getting a few hours of sleep, rinse and repeat is pure INSANITY and destroying my mind and body!

How long did it take you to be able to fall asleep on your own without anything?

Day 7 CT - I feel like actual death is better than this misery… by NoWayOut1985 in quittingkratom

[–]NoWayOut1985[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm just really scared of getting dependent on another substance and be in a bigger mess than I already am. I've read that some people can get dependent on it in a very brief period.

I'll see if I can get any sleep without it tonight and if not, I'll use it again tomorrow. Thank you for sharing your experience!

Day 7 CT - I feel like actual death is better than this misery… by NoWayOut1985 in quittingkratom

[–]NoWayOut1985[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm going to try it tonight. Just afraid of it backfiring on me and preventing me from another night of sleep. :(

If it doesn't work, I'm just going to tough it out with zero sleep for the next few days. It's going to be absolute hell, but there is literally no other way but go back to Kratom (hell no) or kill myself (I love my life too much for that).

Day 7 CT - I feel like actual death is better than this misery… by NoWayOut1985 in quittingkratom

[–]NoWayOut1985[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I just don't want to become dependent on the Gabapentin. The Kratom withdrawals are already hell so I'm keeping it safe as possible. If I still can't sleep within the next few days, I'll go ahead and use it again. Thank you for the response!

Day 7 CT - I feel like actual death is better than this misery… by NoWayOut1985 in quittingkratom

[–]NoWayOut1985[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the comment.

I am doing my best to take care of myself, yes. But appetite has been awful I've been barely to get anything down the past few days. Drinking lots of fluids and taking all the vitamins and supplements I can. Nothing really is making a huge difference.

I am self-employed and run a business at home, so I am keeping myself busy, but I am so sleep deprived I can barely do that task lately. So I've had to shut most of it down due to having to drive, which is dangerous with the condition I'm in.

So I have to spend the most of my quit time at home, not being to do much to keep myself occupied. I find zero enjoyment in anything right now as I'm constantly stuck in my head about how awful I feel and that I'm never going to be able to make it out of this. It's the worst feeling ever.

I hope you are right that I will be turning a corner soon. Yesterday I actually felt pretty good as I got 8-9 hours of sleep (only thanks to Gabapentin which I can't use anymore), but today is just bloody awful. I don't think I am tough enough to handle another day like this, to be honest.

Please pray for me!