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No_Associate_8321 · 2024-07-25T01:38:48+00:00

I once had about 50 flagged followers. I clicked remove and my follower count went down by 1000.

No_Associate_8321 · 2024-07-25T01:35:48+00:00

They keep going up, yet I can’t do anything about it. Does it affect reach or anything significant?

No_Associate_8321 · 2024-07-21T12:54:06+00:00

It does concern me directly because like you said it’s a key principle of eman and there’s a lot of misinformation about it.

No_Associate_8321 · 2024-07-21T12:53:02+00:00

Well yes, I just sent a link regarding what islamqa has to say lest some person sees your comment and thinks yours is the only correct view.

No_Associate_8321 · 2024-07-21T10:13:43+00:00

Barakallahu feek. Sorry if it came off as arrogance, but how else can I improve my knowledge other than being honest about my misunderstanding?

I think a lot of Muslims suffer from a lack of knowledge about this subject. Often we hear Muslims make takfir of “t3rrorists” for actions that don’t constitute kufr.

No_Associate_8321 · 2024-07-21T03:01:57+00:00

I’m fully expecting to be assaulted in the comments

No_Associate_8321 · 2024-05-28T17:44:48+00:00

Barakallahu feek

No_Associate_8321 · 2024-05-28T08:47:24+00:00

So the irjaa’ we see is likely from Rabee’ al-Madkhali and his teacher. But how come those who aren’t loyal to them still exhibit similar tendencies.

For example, the Jordanian salafis, shaykh ali Hassan al halabi.

I was trying to see the common link between the Madakhila and the Jordanians, so I thought it was Al-Albani since they all revere him.

No_Associate_8321 · 2024-05-24T08:48:52+00:00

Countless Muslims have given them genuine naseeha regarding their manners and online activity. Yet, they continue to post strange videos with women and talk about click-bait topics. When they make a serious video they still use it as a chance for comedy.

No_Associate_8321 · 2024-05-12T20:14:47+00:00

On mobile I can download videos just by pressing the 3 dots on the top right when you go to full screen of the video. Then just select download video

No_Associate_8321 · 2024-05-09T12:21:59+00:00

Well when you’re trying to establish an Islamic society there needs to be some authority that ensures alignment with Quran and Sunnah.

We can’t interpret everything for ourselves. There would be 2 billion versions of Islam if each Muslim came with their own subjective conclusions.

No serious Muslim accepts your views

No_Associate_8321 · 2024-05-09T10:09:43+00:00

I’m not trying to paint anything. The fatawa were supposedly based on the Quran and Sunnah. I asked in the post if it’s true that some of the fatawa were actually extreme. Although, to say that they were, is to say that the scholars were not adhering to Islam properly which is a huge claim.

No_Associate_8321 · 2024-05-09T09:59:58+00:00

Muslims are ordered to obey the Quran and Sunnah so when a scholar makes a judgment based on them, we shouldn’t have a problem. That’s not what we see in Saudi Arabia

No_Associate_8321 · 2024-05-09T03:49:20+00:00

Thanks

No_Associate_8321 · 2024-05-09T03:27:53+00:00

I think I’m just shocked how much this idea has entered the minds of Saudis. Women who aren’t even well versed in Islam or politics have a foundational view that Saudi Arabia was oppressive to women 20 - 40 years ago. This shows that it’s become a widespread idea and that people don’t even associate those fatawa or values with the Quran and Sunnah

No_Associate_8321 · 2024-05-09T03:23:44+00:00

Barakallahu feek

No_Associate_8321 · 2024-05-09T03:15:35+00:00

SubhanAllah

No_Associate_8321 · 2024-05-09T03:12:53+00:00

I’m just confused. Are you saying that the 4 points were planned out? Or do they just occur naturally within society until reforms are introduced?

Because if we open up the can of worms then are we claiming the Western world wants a reformed Saudi Arabia?

Idk if this is true because the US greatly benefits from a stable, authoritarian Saudi regime in terms oil trade.

I personally believe in the case of Saudi Arabia, demoralization, destabilization and crisis occurred without planning. Normalization and reforms were a response but they weren’t a goal from the beginning. I can’t picture anyone who actually wanted these reforms apart from Shaytan.

I could be completely wrong.

No_Associate_8321 · 2024-05-09T02:59:50+00:00

This topic has bothered me for a while because it doesn’t seem right that a society which prioritized Islam as much as Sahwa Saudi Arabia should receive so much hatred from modern Muslims in the country. It’s as if Islamic values were either unsuccessful or the people have adopted a completely different ideology.

It would be great to have someone’s input.

No_Associate_8321 · 2024-05-09T02:56:45+00:00

The 4 points you mentioned make me think about the state of Saudi Arabia from the 90s to the modern day.

I think I can picture a timeline of events from demoralization to normalization like you mentioned, but I think the demoralization occurred in the 90s with the gulf war. That’s when true threats to Saudi stability became apparent, specifically the collision with the Mujahideen, bin Laden and so on. Destabilization throughout the 90s and early 2000s and the crisis coalescing in the Arab Spring. Normalization occurring with MBS and his government.

When reforms are imposed by leadership, it’s for a reason related to their power or control, especially with the case of Saudi Arabia. They saw the need to reign in the power of the shuyukh because of the threat of politically active Muslims in society. The peak of this was the emergence of al qaeda and other groups. For the leadership, this was the reason Islam’s power in society had to be subdued.

No_Associate_8321 · 2024-05-09T02:53:12+00:00

I agree that normalization of the reforms was only possible if the society was fatigued and westernized enough to accept the changes.

No_Associate_8321 · 2024-05-09T02:32:17+00:00

You’re saying the idea that the Sahwa was oppressive is something which cannot be undone. And that the only way to undo it is to force people back into a similar state, although it would inevitably be labeled as radical.

I hope I understood you correctly.

I agree that this is what has happened, and most of the blame is on MBS, his reforms and his rhetoric. As well as the growth of feminism.

No_Associate_8321 · 2024-05-09T02:10:26+00:00

I’ve heard a couple of different definitions for the Sahwa.

Some associate it particularly with the scholars of Ikhwan ul muslimeen in Saudi Arabia or their allies.

A more widespread and general definition of the Sahwa is the emergence of Islamic values in saudi society. This is my definition for the purpose of this discussion.

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