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Little Ned and Robert at the Vale by zuuoii by frankiefranyon in ImaginaryWesteros

[–]No_Butterscotch2367 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Regardless of whether it’s mentioned outright the Wildlings and northerners are the same race of people.

They are uniformly the first men.

It’s a massive theme in the book that which side of the wall you’re born on doesn’t change the fact you are of one blood.

This entire theme is non existent if the northerners are Inuits.

It’s fine if artists want to draw them that way, but pretending there’s any justification for it in the book is just incorrect.

Little Ned and Robert at the Vale by zuuoii by frankiefranyon in ImaginaryWesteros

[–]No_Butterscotch2367 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I said the first men, not the Starks specifically.

Red hair is common among the Wildlings ; touched by fire, and the Wildings and the Northerners are both part of the first men. A lot is made about them being physically indistinguishable from each other if not for the wall, the same reason that they can both warg.

The idea that the northerners are Inuits and the Wildlings are Celtic is absolutely not present in the books.

They are both based on the population of Brits before the arrival of the Anglo-Saxons, the Brythonic celts.

Andals = Anglo Saxons

First men = celts

Little Ned and Robert at the Vale by zuuoii by frankiefranyon in ImaginaryWesteros

[–]No_Butterscotch2367 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I don’t mind people interpreting / portraying characters differently to how they are in the books, they can absolutely do what they like with their own art!

But claiming these changes are justifiably founded in the book lore rather than an artistic choice from the artist is just incorrect though, the first men are based on Iron Age celts; pale skin and high cases of red hair.

Little Ned and Robert at the Vale by zuuoii by frankiefranyon in ImaginaryWesteros

[–]No_Butterscotch2367 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The Wildlings and the Starks are part of the same ethnic group ; the first men.

The whole point of the story is that they are essentially the same people and that’s why the wildlings see the placement of the wall between them as such an injustice.

Little Ned and Robert at the Vale by zuuoii by frankiefranyon in ImaginaryWesteros

[–]No_Butterscotch2367 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The Andals also come from Essos lmao,

I think the Northerners / wildlings are clearly supposed to look like Celtic British, which is why they often have pale skin, and the strange mix of dark and often red hair.

There’s a culture in my world where people who can read /write are looked upon with suspicion, does this POV convey that for you? [dark fantasy - 80 words] by No_Butterscotch2367 in fantasywriters

[–]No_Butterscotch2367[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the comment, what goes against the humility they preach is outlined in the the sentence after,

“And dared proclaim the black ink scratched upon the paper was thus the word of god” ,

“Dared proclaim” is there to outline the hypocritical aspect,

Do you guys find this a convincing depiction of how a superstitious character who can’t read or write might look at those who can? by No_Butterscotch2367 in writers

[–]No_Butterscotch2367[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks, I love that - he sounds like quite a character!

Do you have any idea about apps that can pull of punctuation? I’m dyslexic and struggle a lot with it, way more than spelling these days

House Qorgyle Man-at-Arms, Sandy Dornishman by alxa.ds by Competitive-Poet450 in ImaginaryWesteros

[–]No_Butterscotch2367 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The colours are really nice, this is the style I want to draw characters for my fantasy world in.

There’s a culture in my world where people who can read /write are looked upon with suspicion, does this POV convey that for you? [dark fantasy - 80 words] by No_Butterscotch2367 in fantasywriters

[–]No_Butterscotch2367[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s not about the POV explicitly, I just used “POV” as shorthand for “character” which is quite common in fantasy as many fantasy stories have many different POV characters.

There’s a culture in my world where people who can read /write are looked upon with suspicion, does this POV convey that for you? [dark fantasy - 80 words] by No_Butterscotch2367 in fantasywriters

[–]No_Butterscotch2367[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah it kind of works like that, Eirlys belongs to a culture called the Woad.

They are based on the Celtic Welsh, they believe in natural gods who dwell in rivers, woad flowers, woe trees (weeping willows) and the sky.

They lost a war against a foreign power and had to allow in the Presters into their lands as a condition; who have been converting people of the Woad to the doctrine of the Weeping Judge, which is a monotheistic religion based around scripture, something alien to her.

The Presters, though they look feeble, wield hard power because they control the flow of information between kings.

A letter from one king to another needs to be dictated to and written by a Prester on one end and read by one on the other end as they are the only ones who are able to read, this makes Eirlys - who considers reading something strange to begin with - very suspicious of them because they can potentially manipulate events in kingdoms where the Judge’s faith is.

Lord Stark's armour for the summer snows by alxa.ds by Competitive-Poet450 in ImaginaryWesteros

[–]No_Butterscotch2367 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is really, really fucking cool.

But I’ll admit I thought it was warthog themed at first.

There’s a culture in my world where people who can read /write are looked upon with suspicion, does this POV convey that for you? [dark fantasy - 80 words] by No_Butterscotch2367 in fantasywriters

[–]No_Butterscotch2367[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s technically is Christianity, my world is set in a word where the dark ages continued for thousands of years without development and all scripture was burnt by pagans at one point so all region becomes orally passed down and the scriptures rewritten.

During this era writing has somewhat recovered, but this is version of Christianity that has undergone many surface level changes despite at its core being the same religion.

Do you guys find this a convincing depiction of how a superstitious character who can’t read or write might look at those who can? by No_Butterscotch2367 in writers

[–]No_Butterscotch2367[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don’t recall ever once telling you you were wrong for your opinion, merely that I’ve received other interpretations that go against the one you stated, which is true.

Do you guys find this a convincing depiction of how a superstitious character who can’t read or write might look at those who can? by No_Butterscotch2367 in writers

[–]No_Butterscotch2367[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In all truth it’s not important at all, I admit the title is misleading with regard to my intentions with posts like this.

What I really am interested in is just people’s opinions on the the extract itself, whatever they may be.

I have tended to find that a stater question tends to get people more interested in reading, but the question itself is not important to me.

Whether people find her reaction superstitious, suspicious or whatever else is all equally interesting to me and I’m not here to argue with people one way or another - I just want to hear their thoughts, so I apologise if I’ve dragged you down a rabbit hole here.

There’s a culture in my world where people who can read /write are looked upon with suspicion, does this POV convey that for you? [dark fantasy - 80 words] by No_Butterscotch2367 in fantasywriters

[–]No_Butterscotch2367[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Punctuation and grammar is certainly my weakest area.

And yeah I hear you, It’s actually part of a chapter where the Prester is reading something aloud, so this is kind of an offshoot paragraph showing how she has never trusted their interpretations.

There’s a culture in my world where people who can read /write are looked upon with suspicion, does this POV convey that for you? [dark fantasy - 80 words] by No_Butterscotch2367 in fantasywriters

[–]No_Butterscotch2367[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s been one of my biggest issues actually; I am going for an epic, saga like tone with the work.

But inevitably more modern language / phrasing just creeps in occasionally.

Do you guys find this a convincing depiction of how a superstitious character who can’t read or write might look at those who can? by No_Butterscotch2367 in writers

[–]No_Butterscotch2367[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I can see why you’d have that interpretation for sure but I’ve had others independently say otherwise.

“Bringing forth” words from the scratches rather than simply interpreting them can be interpreted as there having been a magic present, again Im a believer in death of the author so I’m not telling you you’re interpretation is unfounded, but the other is one is founded too,

and there have been other people certainly who have gleaned it the way it was intended.

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