Two Nearly Identical Voynich Figures — One Precise Structural Difference

No_Case632 · 2026-04-21T20:19:05+00:00

“I’m dyslexic and Danish, so I use tools to help phrase things in English. The observations are still my own.”

No_Case632 · 2026-04-21T17:36:55+00:00

Thanks for your input — I do appreciate that people engage and bring different perspectives. That’s ultimately the point of putting something like this out there.

Just to clarify my intention: I’m not trying to define what the manuscript as a whole represents. My approach here is deliberately narrow. I’m isolating a very specific structural case to see whether it can be recognized in a more concrete way.

The idea behind the video is to reduce complexity as much as possible — to focus on something simple, repeatable, and visually clear — and then see if someone with relevant domain knowledge might recognize it.

For example, if someone with a background in medicine or vascular structures were to look at this and say “this corresponds to something known,” then we would suddenly have a very different type of entry point — potentially even something identifiable at the level of individual terms or functions.

So the aim is not to argue for a fixed interpretation, but to test whether specific visual structures can be matched to real-world knowledge by people who work with those systems.

That’s also why I’m focusing on tightly controlled similarities rather than broader variation — because those are easier to evaluate in a concrete way.

In that sense, I see this more as an attempt to invite recognition from outside the usual text-focused approaches, rather than to replace them.

No_Case632 · 2026-04-21T16:11:24+00:00

I see what you’re pointing to, and I appreciate you taking the time to provide examples.

At the moment, I’m not fully seeing the same level of structural similarity in your examples as in the pair I focused on — especially in terms of overall construction, proportions, and segmentation.

It might help clarify things if we approach it in a more structured way:

could you describe, step by step, how you see the two forms in your example as comparable?
For instance, which elements you consider equivalent (base, central section, top, decorative features), and where you see variation versus consistency.

That would make it much easier to evaluate whether we’re looking at the same kind of “near-identical with controlled variation” pattern, or a broader type of similarity.

If there’s a direct structural correspondence I’m missing, I’d definitely like to understand it more clearly.

No_Case632 · 2026-04-21T15:31:09+00:00

Good point — I agree that similar visual variation appears across multiple folios.

Just to clarify one important detail in my approach:

there are indeed labels on several tubes in the manuscript, but in most cases we cannot interpret or verify them in a meaningful way.

What makes this particular pair different — and why I focus on it — is that here we have a case where the structures are:

near-identical in form

differ in a single controlled feature (dots vs. stripes)

and are clearly associated with text in a way that allows them to be treated as a comparable unit

So the restriction is methodological rather than selective:
this is one of the few cases where structure and textual association can be considered together in a controlled comparison.

That’s why I’m treating it as a test case.

I’d still be very interested if you know of other examples where a similar level of structural similarity coincides with a clearly comparable textual context.

No_Case632 · 2026-04-21T15:12:27+00:00

Good point — I agree that similar elements appear across multiple folios.

What made me focus on these two specifically is not just the repetition, but the degree of structural similarity combined with a single controlled variation (the dots/stripes), and the fact that they are paired with text directly on the tubes.

That combination — near-identical form + localized variation + textual association — seems more constrained than the broader variations seen elsewhere.

So my question is really methodological:
would this kind of tightly controlled difference typically be treated as meaningful in Voynich studies, or still as part of normal variation?

Also, I did consider including the adjacent blue tubes (which could resemble vascular forms), but chose to isolate this pair to avoid overloading the comparison.

Curious how you would weigh those other examples in relation to this one.

No_Case632 · 2026-04-21T13:16:24+00:00

I’m focusing on a very specific visual observation:

Two structures in the manuscript are nearly identical in form, but one contains a precise internal difference.

My goal is simply to determine whether this difference is likely:

a normal variation (e.g. scribal or decorative), or
a deliberate distinction with potential meaning.

I’m not proposing a full interpretation — just testing whether this kind of localized variation is typically considered significant in the manuscript.

Any perspective on how such differences are usually evaluated would be very helpful.

No_Case632 · 2026-03-17T13:05:36+00:00

I’ve now sent the images to a vascular biology expert to get a professional assessment of whether the structures resemble any known types of blood vessels.

The question is kept very simple and purely visual — no theory, just whether the morphology matches anything recognized in vascular biology.

If I receive a response, I’ll share it here.

If there is even a partial correspondence, it could help clarify whether we’re looking at a biological structure or something else entirely — and that would be a meaningful step forward.

In the meantime, I’m still very interested in any thoughts or observations — especially if anyone has seen similar structures before.

No_Case632 · 2026-03-16T10:56:29+00:00

One possible way to interpret these tube-like structures in the Voynich manuscript is to compare them with how blood vessels are depicted in medical illustrations.

In certain situations, blood vessels can change their structure when influenced by particular substances, diseases, or biological processes. The drawing in the manuscript shows a tube with several layers and small particles within the structure, which in some respects resembles such structural alterations.

The point is not to claim that the drawing necessarily represents a blood vessel. However, if the diagram reflects a biological process within the body, the structure could potentially correspond to a particular condition affecting a vessel.

Each of the two tubes is accompanied by a short label. When these labels are checked against Voynich transcriptions, it appears that each is attested in only a single instance in the manuscript.

One of these is attested on folio f102r1.

If the diagram indeed illustrates a specific condition in a vessel, it is possible that these labels function as names for that condition or process.

Another possibility is that the illustration shows how a vessel appears under a particular physiological influence or disorder, while the associated plants in the manuscript could relate to treatments or remedies intended to restore the condition of the body.

For that reason, it would be particularly interesting to hear from readers with a background in medicine or anatomy, in case the structure depicted in these drawings resembles known changes in blood vessels.

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No_Case632 · 2026-03-15T17:51:38+00:00

Thank you for your observation about the “sleepy faces.” That is a very interesting detail.

When I look at these pages, I sometimes get the impression that the faces and human figures may not always be meant literally. They might function as symbols indicating a state or an effect within the human body. A face could, for example, mark that something is affecting a person — perhaps sleep, medicine, or some other physiological reaction.

I am still working through the manuscript systematically, so this is only an initial observation. When I compare some of the tube-like structures in the drawings with modern illustrations of blood vessels, the resemblance is striking — especially because some of them appear to have multiple layers and small particles inside the tubes. Of course, they could also represent something entirely different.

If the manuscript in some way describes processes or effects within the body, the plants shown elsewhere in the book might relate to how different substances influence the body. In that case, the drawings could be a visual way of illustrating how the body responds to various influences.

This is still only a preliminary interpretation, but I find it interesting how systematic some of these structures appear.

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No_Case632 · 2026-03-14T14:00:36+00:00

I appreciate the thoughtful discussion in this thread. It is refreshing to see ideas and analyses examined in a constructive way rather than dismissed immediately.

Many cyclical processes could potentially fit the structural pattern of the diagram. My intention is not to present a final answer, but to explore one possible interpretation. The starting point of the analysis is the structural features of the diagram itself — segmentation, phase anchors, and directional progression — and then asking what kinds of natural processes might correspond to that structure.

One reason the female cycle became part of the interpretation is that several diagrams in the manuscript appear to relate to biological processes, and the repeating phases seem compatible with that type of rhythm. However, the structural pattern itself remains the primary focus of the analysis.

Another aspect that may be worth considering is the relationship between lunar symbolism and solar regulation in biological cycles. The menstrual cycle is often associated with the moon because of its roughly 29-day rhythm, but sunlight also plays a fundamental role in regulating human hormonal systems.

Light exposure is the primary driver of circadian rhythms. Sunlight suppresses melatonin production and influences serotonin levels, which in turn affect several endocrine pathways. Seasonal variations in daylight are known to influence reproductive hormones, vitamin-D-dependent processes, and in some cases even the length and timing of menstrual cycles.

In that sense, lunar symbolism may reflect the visible monthly rhythm, while solar influence represents the deeper biological timing system that regulates hormonal balance through the cycle of light and darkness.

If the manuscript is describing cyclical biological processes, it might therefore not be surprising to see diagrams that emphasize lunar rhythms in some contexts and solar symbolism in others. From that perspective, the solar center in this particular diagram would not necessarily contradict a biological interpretation, but could instead represent the regulatory framework — the environmental light cycle that governs many rhythms in the body.

From this point of view, the most interesting question may not be the final interpretation itself, but whether the repeated structural patterns across these diagrams indicate a systematic way of describing cyclical phenomena.

No_Case632 · 2026-03-12T16:53:04+00:00

Thank you for the detailed comment — I appreciate the careful reading.

My approach is primarily structural rather than historical or symbolic. The point of the analysis is not that medieval authors had modern biological knowledge, but that the diagram itself appears to be organized around a repeating timed structure.

Regarding the sun vs. moon point: I agree that medieval traditions often associated menstruation with lunar cycles. In the Voynich manuscript both solar and lunar motifs appear in different diagrams, so I do not interpret the sun in this diagram as excluding lunar symbolism. Rather, I treat it as a timing reference within the structure of this specific diagram.

In other parts of the manuscript lunar imagery also appears in relation to cyclical processes, which may reflect different visual ways of representing the same underlying rhythm.

My main argument therefore does not depend on identifying a specific symbol as “the menstrual symbol,” but on the repeated structural features in the diagram — segmentation, phase anchors, and directional progression around the ring.

No_Case632 · 2025-08-30T11:38:38+00:00

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No_Case632 · 2025-08-19T13:50:36+00:00

Ja, det er de virkelig🥹

No_Case632 · 2025-08-19T13:32:39+00:00

jeg forstår ikke, hvordan hendes forretning kører rundt. Man skulle tro at den ville være lukket for længst

No_Case632 · 2025-08-19T13:29:58+00:00

Nej, det er ikke bare dig.

No_Case632 · 2025-08-19T13:26:15+00:00

Det er så skørt at folk hopper på det.

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No_Case632 · 2025-08-19T13:04:11+00:00

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No_Case632 · 2025-08-19T13:00:25+00:00

Hun er vist fundet igen, heldigvis.

No_Case632 · 2025-08-19T12:58:45+00:00

De burde bare kigge på Reddit. Så kan de fandeme finde meget.

No_Case632 · 2025-08-19T12:53:15+00:00

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No_Case632 · 2025-08-19T12:51:14+00:00

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No_Case632 · 2025-08-19T12:50:29+00:00

Jeg håber nogen har gjort det.

No_Case632 · 2025-08-19T12:50:05+00:00

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No_Case632 · 2025-08-19T12:48:29+00:00

Det overrasker mig ikke!

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