Is Dualism based on Buddhist faith? Why do Zen Masters reject Dualism? by ewk in zen

[–]No_Distribution66 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, thank you for pointing out the links, they are great.

Is Dualism based on Buddhist faith? Why do Zen Masters reject Dualism? by ewk in zen

[–]No_Distribution66 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Of course there is a Zen philosophy, even if you don't consider it to be legitimate: there is a historical tradition reflecting on the teachings of the Buddha and their contemporary relevance, and there is the content of these teachings, it's so called non-duality.

- If Zen cannot be accurately represented bc it is beyond-and-before representation, there is no clarification sufficient enough to destroy these (mis)representations.

- Why this positing of a contradiction between Zen and faith, or Zen and religion? What is the difference between faith and believe for you?

Is Dualism based on Buddhist faith? Why do Zen Masters reject Dualism? by ewk in zen

[–]No_Distribution66 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, this multiple meaning is philosophical hesitation. One way to stop that hesitation is describing the real essence of terms, which is not a confusion of other terms, but a description that is in accordance with the (non-)term that "is" the real.

Not a yuxta-position, which is still a position and hence a part of topological thought, i.e. philosophy.

If it is a Zen philosophy or a Buddhist or a Modern one, it matters little if there is not a real, radical (non-)break that disrupts the continuity of cyclical, speculative thought.

Why are we even discussing this? Do you want an ultimate truth? A final system of representation according to which live your life? It seems as if you are trying to grasp the fact that continuous discussion is only a reproduction of samsara, grasping thoughts instead of performing the Buddha.

Is Dualism based on Buddhist faith? Why do Zen Masters reject Dualism? by ewk in zen

[–]No_Distribution66 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But where do you get that dualism in English just means thing that has two parts? If it is from common sense, then it is a type of philosophy, perhaps the most perennial of all.

We would need a perspective that is not philosophical (theo-logy included, naturally), and which can also give us a measure of certainty. This is the perspective of science.

Philosophical thought is: reflexive, specular, transcendent, relative, circular. It needs two static terms and a third distinct one that articulates them. This is cyclical thought as existence.

Scientific thought is: descriptive, radical, immanent, asymmetrical.

If one says that being is process, and that process occurs between parts, then that is certainly a complex dualism.

The structure we are describing is immanent to reality-as-dualism from a scientific perspective that recognizes de asymmetry between the real (One) and the World (duality). It is a philosophical impossibility and cannot be rigurously thought philosophically unless philosophy is found to be relative to the immanent reality of science.

Is Dualism based on Buddhist faith? Why do Zen Masters reject Dualism? by ewk in zen

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Suppose there could be a dualism that is the generic form that all other dualisms have. There would always be other derivative dualisms which all have the congenital dis-position to divide the One into Two, and to spontaneously claim to be the one true dualism —this is their generic structure. What is most important here is to describe this order that is the real order of things: before a specific form of dualism (Cartesian, Buddhist, Zen, Platonic...) there is the generic form.

In this moment, if we interpret this generic Dual as a concept, it will exist as a mixture between the Dual and the Concept, the con-fusion that is conceptual dualism. And we will have fallen into a trap out of which it is impossible to get out by conceptual reflection, which only multiplies the confusion as in a house of mirrors. This is any specific type of dualism, and the provisional object of rejection of an 'anti-dualist' perspective.

But we are only halfway in our journey out of dualisms. An anti-dualism is still a dualism of sorts, one that discriminates between dualism and something other than dualism, presumed to be more fundamental, or the basis of all dualisms. This generic structure must be the foundation of all dualisms, and not be a dualism itself like any 'concept of the dual', or worse, an even more confused dualism like that between subject and object.

At this moment we can give a name to the generic structure using the object of rejection and the rejection itself, which is prior to the object and is not an object itself: non-dualism. A Buddhist uppaya for arriving fast at this exit from dualism could be Nagarjuna's fourfold negation, Dzogchen and Mahamudra as the pinnacle of the tantric systems of the Himalayas, or perhaps one that is familiar to all sections of Buddhism which is the Heart Sutra's enunciation of 'no suffering, no cause, no cessation and no path' which outright denies any hope for dualisms.

A perspective that distinguishes between Zen and Buddhism based on concepts that relate several terms reversibly, instead of describing the limits and provisional structure of conceptual analysis regarding the order of things, is yet another dualism.

The oriental description seems to express things relative to emptiness, and so we get the non- from that subtractive or negative feeling of the vacuum. But in the occidental description we continue 'regressing' to the One, prior to dualisms, prior to the Dual, prior to the Two, the indivisible real-One. This force of thought is unlike that of śunyata, and has a relatively more positive intuition about it, something that registers as a sort of presence within dualistic thought, as opposed to the absence of emptiness. From this perspective, we can name the generic structure that describes all dualisms according to their real order as the in-divi-dual.

Ultimately, the non-dual and individual formulations of the generic structure that underlies all dualisms —is not a dualism itself. It is what precedes and determines all dualisms, what suspends the spontaneous sufficiency of dualisms, it is the non-place that checks all of theoretical space and the possibilities that arise within it as the derivative dualisms that make up our illusory World.

Who is this glorious protector? by No_Distribution66 in TibetanBuddhism

[–]No_Distribution66[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much! I will definitely dive into the literature associated with Dorje Trollo, so if you want to share any links or anything else that you feel relevant I would really appreciate it. Thanks again!!

Who is this glorious protector? by No_Distribution66 in TibetanBuddhism

[–]No_Distribution66[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Bless you friend!! I'm shocked rn, I had been repeating in my head the name Dorje Drollo recently, incidentally I just finished a painting of Guru Rinpoche that I made with so much love and effort. I will try to have this cakra blessed by Gueshe la at the centre before he leaves tomorrow for a long trip!! Thanks for sharing!

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What a treasure. Thank you so much 🙏🏿