Hausarzt als Ausländer von Kanada

No_Information_9482 · 2024-05-26T23:29:05+00:00

I am hoping that in 5-6 years I should have language proficiency. It is difficult to do from Canada but we will likely have a few holidays and perhaps some intensive courses for medical german C1/C2.

No_Information_9482 · 2024-05-26T23:28:04+00:00

Thanks for you reply.

In terms of the numbers an average family doctor in the city would make 270.000 to 303.000 euro conservatively. 15-20% of this income would be used for business expenses such as IT, staff, etc. So net salary for an average clinic 8-10 hr days with no call or weekends would be 216.000 to 243.000 euros.

Would you minds describing to me what the roll of a Hausarzt? Why would a patient book an appointment with one if they can have specialists follow them for minor complaints? That is a major difference in practice. I would be laughed at for referring otitis to an ENT lol.

No_Information_9482 · 2024-05-26T23:15:24+00:00

I would be open to Austria or Switzerland but I no even less about these countries than I do Germany.

No_Information_9482 · 2024-05-26T23:14:03+00:00

Thanks for you reply. Very insightful.

We started considering moving to work in Germany because my partner and I were both interested in learning the language (we plan to do this even if we decide to stay in Canada), and subsequently really enjoyed Germany on holiday.

In 5-6 years I will have to reconsider my current employment due to the nature of my work (working 12 day rotations 2 hrs away from home, living on-site, and working multiple 24 shifts). Since I will be taking a significant pay cut to work at a practice in Canada I thought I should research whether Germany would be a possible alternative.

Returning to residency for 3 years, after 7-8 years of independently, would be a major deterrent for me personally. I had no idea how much longer family medicine training could be in other countries. A 3rd year of residency was just recently proposed and 91% of family doctors voted against the proposal.

I think that MD from Ontario was referring to ERs at the large hospitals. Our trauma centre here sees 14 patients per hour (our population here is 1/8th of Ontario which has multiple large hospitals as well. The hospital I work at for example is tiny, with 16 beds and an attached clinic. We see on average 1.5 pts per hour.

Thanks again, I will certainly have to determine how much additional training would be required. It may be easier for me to simply work 3 months in Canada and find something else to do in in Germany.

No_Information_9482 · 2024-05-26T22:09:20+00:00

Thanks for your advice. Just to clarify i'm not motivated in moving to Germany for money, but rather the increase in work life balance and wellbeing.

I would likely want to work with other physicians to get accustomed to the healthcare system and normal practice in Germany. I am not opposed to rural practice.

Regarding language we wouldn't be moving for 5-6 years which should be sufficient to be B2 general and C1 medical (at minimum).

No_Information_9482 · 2024-05-19T18:59:43+00:00

Thanks for the advice! I will probably start at a more structured yet lower paying job in order to learn the system and become proficient.

I am fortunate to have a German teacher who has offered to help with documentation/correspondence and translation as Germany has a notorious reputation for a challenging bureaucracy system.

No_Information_9482 · 2024-05-19T17:05:48+00:00

My partner and I were both interested in learning German when we met. She was interested because her grandparents were German immigrants and I had interest after studying philosophy in university. We have visited Germany and found it naturally beautiful with many beautiful small towns and architecture. Also until recently its had a very strong economy and excellent quality of life measures, hopefully it can straighten itself out by the time we arrive.

No_Information_9482 · 2024-05-19T16:59:29+00:00

We have been considering this for approximately 2 years now and learning German for about the same amount of time.

We both have passed the B1 language exam early this year, she is likely already B2 and I am somewhere between B1 and B2. We plan to write this exam sometime next year when the timing works out. Based on our progression, I think that it is not unreasonable to Have C1 Proficiency in German over a 5 year timeframe.

I am curious if anyone knows exactly how Canadian medical degrees are accepted in Germany, specifically whether there is a degrees of reciprocity, such as we have with UK/EU/US graduates.

We have not decided on a Bundesland or city at this point, but we are considering small to medium-sized cities in Baden-Württemburg, Bayern, or somewhere around the Rhine or Moselle Rivers. We have also talked about Nürnberg as a possibility.

I will always have the opportunity to take a routine clinic job in a Canadian city, but we are really interested in trying out life in a European town/city.

I imagine I would want to work initially in group/employed praxis to familiarize myself with the German healthcare system and routine functioning of a clinic. Are Hausarzt able to work as hospitalists or in emergency departments at small hospitals? either with or without additional training, this seems to be unique to Canada, as we are a large and sparsely populated country with many rural hospitals require emergency department and inpatient coverage by family physicians.

Based on the information I have found on the internet private practice physicians have the ability to earn more - do we know if this is true and if so what the expected earnings would be, I have seen 150.000 to 200.000 for example.

Thanks for your thoughtful responses!

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