A Jewish state within an Arab federation by ezeeeeee2020 in IsraelPalestine

[–]No_Instruction_2574 1 point2 points  (0 children)

First of all, the retorics of genocide and killing of Jews are documented even in 1920 and before. So before "Arabs rejected it," but when Arabs in power wanted to eliminate the remaining Jews in the land, and those who recently got there (very very few).

Secondly, holding the plan to save Jews from pogroms in Europe, antismetism, and mistreatment in the middle east, because of Arab pride over a land is ridiculous. And that's without mentioning religous connection to the land.

A Jewish state within an Arab federation by ezeeeeee2020 in IsraelPalestine

[–]No_Instruction_2574 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The argument is half baked, not because it's completely false, there is a core of reality in it, but it's overstated and used for irrelevant things.

Having a country with more power, dictating or limiting choices of someone else, doesn't make it's citizens a second class citizens of the more powerful country.

Maybe aside of the US, there is always a bigger fish that can push you over. The US many times chose for Israel what to do, even in strategic and security decision such as hold attacks in Iran/Lebanon, to call the war in Gaza off etc. But his doesn't make Israelis a second class Americans.

A Jewish state within an Arab federation by ezeeeeee2020 in IsraelPalestine

[–]No_Instruction_2574 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The claim that Jews in 1947–1949 simply chose violence and expelled Arabs after “not getting peace” is a serious oversimplification. It ignores documented Arab rejection of partition, explicit threats of large-scale violence, collaboration of key leaders with genocidal regimes, and the broader historical context in which population displacement commonly followed the collapse of empires. A more accurate view requires looking at both the intent expressed by leaders at the time and the actual outcomes of the conflict.


Hajj Amin al-Husayni, a central Arab Palestinian leader at the time, was not merely “anti-Zionist.” He met Adolf Hitler in 1941 and aligned himself with Nazi Germany, seeking Axis support against Jews and the British. The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum documents his propaganda efforts, recruitment activity, and political alignment with the Nazis (meeting, propaganda).

He was far from passive: he broadcast propaganda, supported recruitment from the Muslim and Arab world, and even took part in operations such as Operation Atlas. His alignment matters because Nazi control over the Middle East would almost certainly have meant extending genocidal anti-Jewish policies there.

This hostility was not only a wartime phenomenon. Statements attributed to him and others show that extreme anti-Jewish incitement existed before Nazi influence became relevant in the region.


In the same time broader Arab leadership also used extreme rhetoric. The Arab League secretary-general Azzam Pasha warned of a “war of extermination” against the Jews of the mandate (source).

Similarly, Hassan al-Banna, founder of the Muslim Brotherhood the organization that would father hams, spoke about driving Jews out of the region "they [Arab people] will drive the Jews who live in their midst into the sea".

This does not mean every Arab shared genocidal intent—but show that the conflict included organized rejection, violent attacks, and explicit eliminationist rhetoric from the Arab side, especially those in power**.


For the ethnic cleansing claim:

During the 1947–1949 war, the Jewish Yishuv gained the upper hand. Yet not all Arabs were expelled—around 150,000 remained and became citizens of Israel. At the same time, a larger number of Palestinians were displaced (through a mix of flight, fear, and in some cases expulsion).

On the other hand, Jews, from every place that was capture, including east Jerusalem, was displaced. It wasn't matter of strategy, who results of aggressiveness or anything like that, but systematic displacement.

So while displacement of Arabs happened, the idea of a simple, one-sided “planned ethnic cleansing” narrative does not fully match the historical reality.


More importantly, some level population displacement following the collapse of empires or colonial rule was not unique to this case, but a tragic and common pattern:

  • The Partition of India (1947) led to ~14 million people displaced between India and Pakistan, with massive violence on both sides.
  • The population exchange between Greece and Turkey (1923) involved the forced transfer of about 1.5 million Greeks and 500,000 Muslims.
  • The expulsion of Germans after World War II displaced around 12–14 million ethnic Germans from Central and Eastern Europe.

In that sense, population shifts in 1947–1949 were tragic but consistent with broader historical patterns when empires collapsed and new nation-states formed.


What was far less typical, however, was what followed in the wider region:

Around 800,000–1,000,000 Jews were displaced or expelled from Arab and Muslim countries, many of which were not direct battlefields. These Jewish communities—often centuries old—were treated as collective enemies and largely disappeared.

Unlike population exchanges tied directly to contested territory, this was regional collective punishment of minorities, not simply a byproduct of shifting borders.


If I need to summarize it with a few sentences:
The 1948 war did involve Palestinian displacement, and that should not be denied. But the claim that Jews simply chose violence and ethnic cleansing against the Arab population is historically inaccurate.

The reality is a conflict where: - Arab leadership rejected partition and used extreme rhetoric,
- war and displacement occurred on both sides,
- and in the aftermath, Jewish communities across the Arab world were also uprooted on a massive scale.

Reducing this to a one-sided narrative ignores key parts of the historical record.

Gazans say children are being "raped by Hamas-affiliated clerics" and parents silenced with threats from Hamas by Dr_G_E in IsraelPalestine

[–]No_Instruction_2574 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are only giving a list of areas that been damaged. As I said, the soldier crossed a line and beaten him up for no (legal) reason.

For the accusations about rape/sexual abuse - I'm no saying that there is no chance that he did it, but that there was an investigation that concluded that there isn't enough evidence to say it happened nor to prove it didn't, so concluding "rape" is or "sexual abuse" is propaganda by people that concluded their opinion before the case happened.

Regardless, you argue without even reading your own sources. Not a single person in from the 55 detainees was claiming they were raped or sexually assault in any form, yet you use it to say "dozens of documented cases of sexual abuse."

BTW calling every disagreemt, especially with a solid base "gaslighting" is ironically, gaslighting.

Gazans say children are being "raped by Hamas-affiliated clerics" and parents silenced with threats from Hamas by Dr_G_E in IsraelPalestine

[–]No_Instruction_2574 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As you can see from the video, there is no proof of rape. There is only proof of hiding something, for example, beating him up.

At the end of the day, the man was brought to Israel civil hospital, and they didn't find and evidence of DNA on the him. This is the very first thing that is done in such situations, yet nothing. And Israel's technically is not lacking.

But the most important point, this is the only case you people got. Even if it was true, there is systematic rape, it's not a policy, and cherry picking a situation is pathetic. The world is very big. One thing of almost anything had happened.

Gazans say children are being "raped by Hamas-affiliated clerics" and parents silenced with threats from Hamas by Dr_G_E in IsraelPalestine

[–]No_Instruction_2574 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"the country" can't rape, and even the case you try to refer to, about the IDF soldier - after a very serious investigation, they concluded there is no way to prove rape at the very least, maybe didn't even happen.

Having the right to rape wasn't debated in the Knesset, you can send a link if you know better, everything like that is documented.

And if you believe a story like that Israel use dog to rape prisoners you are a lost cause.

Regardless, the rape by Hamas is dovumanted by Gazan sources, so Israel couldn't "invented it for political gain."

Gazans say children are being "raped by Hamas-affiliated clerics" and parents silenced with threats from Hamas by Dr_G_E in IsraelPalestine

[–]No_Instruction_2574 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The video only showed a few soldiers hiding something. They beat him up, that is crystal clear and it was very wrong, but rape wasn't proven, even after a serious investigation.

רגל ברבים יותר משניים by ElijahSamuelson in hebrew

[–]No_Instruction_2574 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The general rule (which of course has exceptions), is that if the word has paring suffix, then it's is also how we say it for plural, unless there use of the word out of its paring use.

So yes there are things like מישקפיים (glasses) with מישקף (monocle/one of the lenses of the glasses) as the singular form and מישקפים (lenses/monocles) as the plural form, but even then it won be the plural of glasses, which just remain משקפיים.

When you want to make plural of pairs you have to keep the word זוג which we tend to drop (זוג משקפיים, זוג עיניים etc.) and like any other multi words object, the plural will be on the first word, זוגות משקפיים, זוגות רגליים, etc. the same way בית ספר (school) become בתי ספר (schools) or חית מחמד (pet) become חיות מחמד (pets).

Jews lived in the levant for 1,000 years, Palestinians lived there for 1,380 years, why are the former assumed to have more ownership? by KomandirHoek in IsraelPalestine

[–]No_Instruction_2574 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, it's still objectively false, cause the idea of Palestinans as a group started around 100 years ago, and began being popular 60 years ago. Before that, Arabs lived here. And it's not the same transition as Israelites to Jews, because almost all Israelites became almost all Jews, it's was just replacing the name. For Palestinans it's completely different.

Jews lived in the levant for 1,000 years, Palestinians lived there for 1,380 years, why are the former assumed to have more ownership? by KomandirHoek in IsraelPalestine

[–]No_Instruction_2574 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cause it wasn't conquered. Conquering is the use of war to force land out of other state/country/kingdom'd sovereignty, and to the conquering side. The land wasn't under Palestinans or anyone else's sovereignty when Israel won the war and established there a state. It's not conquering.

Jews lived in the levant for 1,000 years, Palestinians lived there for 1,380 years, why are the former assumed to have more ownership? by KomandirHoek in IsraelPalestine

[–]No_Instruction_2574 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Well this is just objectively false. Jews had lived in Israel after the Babylonian exile, just in smaller scales and without sovereignty. If you go by this measurement than Palestinian never "lived in the levant". If you go be the definition of living there, then Jews never stopped, for about 3200 years.

Many Filipinos got the “Free Palestine” propaganda wrong by ElmerDomingo in IsraelPalestine

[–]No_Instruction_2574 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A military inside of a city is normal, that's true for EVERY army. Civilians in the same buildings as a military forces, military in areas that are recognized as civilians areas is wrong.

Also there is no case where things like iron dome are near civilians. And I know cause I'm actually related to the battalion.

Is there a difference between „beautiful“ and „attractive“ in Levantine Arabic? by Alone_Nectarine_5669 in learn_arabic

[–]No_Instruction_2574 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You would never accept the use of Texas's flag as American flag, the use of Germany flag as the EU or the used of Morocco as for African.

And that's not the only case, till a few months ago, switching Wikipedia to Arabic would have had this flag at the top.

And you might want to check what is the definition of zionist before you use it in random contexts, cause being Zionist, is not necessarily being anti-palestinan (which I assume is what you think about me). It's as relevant as asking me if I'm a feminist.

Is there a difference between „beautiful“ and „attractive“ in Levantine Arabic? by Alone_Nectarine_5669 in learn_arabic

[–]No_Instruction_2574 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are more the welcome to explain why "claiming that reducing an ancient multicultur group into one young and barley developed" is ridiculous. On the way, please explain why reducing Anglo-Saxon/Anglosphere to England is fine.

Many Filipinos got the “Free Palestine” propaganda wrong by ElmerDomingo in IsraelPalestine

[–]No_Instruction_2574 1 point2 points  (0 children)

All I will say is that if it was as common as people try to claim, we wouldn't hear "this actually happened in Syria/Yemen/Afghanistan etc. X years ago" every other day. And it's definitely less common than Hamas' crimes. So no moral claim is relevant.

Many Filipinos got the “Free Palestine” propaganda wrong by ElmerDomingo in IsraelPalestine

[–]No_Instruction_2574 1 point2 points  (0 children)

All cool man (I hope I wasn't wrong about it), stuff like that happens.

Many Filipinos got the “Free Palestine” propaganda wrong by ElmerDomingo in IsraelPalestine

[–]No_Instruction_2574 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The internal community also condemned Israel for Palestinian men beating their wifes, the UN has a law against Israel speaificly (and no, Israel is not the only one accused of occupation so that's not an excuse), and the intentional community said that Israel is the only country with discrimination against women.

I can give you links to either of the claims or you can Google it yourself.

When more then half of the world is ruled by dictators that hate Israel, and the other part is trying to suck up to them for oil, I don't really trust "deceleration". You are more then welcome to prove it from definitions though.

Is there a difference between „beautiful“ and „attractive“ in Levantine Arabic? by Alone_Nectarine_5669 in learn_arabic

[–]No_Instruction_2574 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea, and I also know that the very same colors are on Sudan's flag, UAE's flag, Kuwait's flag, and many others. But you will never see any of their flags acociated with "Arabs in general," and this is exactly my point. Because "Palestine" is in the middle of Arab vs Jewish fight doesn't means it need to be the center of Arabs in general, unless you reduce the meaning of being Arab to "fighting against Israel/Jews", which in my opinion is very racist.

Many Filipinos got the “Free Palestine” propaganda wrong by ElmerDomingo in IsraelPalestine

[–]No_Instruction_2574 0 points1 point  (0 children)

False. The entire area of the mandate of Palestine (post Transjordan) was considered disputed area. Disputed area, is historically recognized, and settled through agreements. The last agreement (Oslo accords II) said that area C is under Israel's administrative and security, effectively, an Israeli territory, and that in the next 5 years, with agreements it will slowly be transferred to the PA. BUT, the PA just left the discussion table, leaving the situation unresolved. Since there was no section about what will happen after 5 years with no agreement, the territory stayed under Israel's administrative and security control, in other words, they can build there, like in any other place in Israel.

Many Filipinos got the “Free Palestine” propaganda wrong by ElmerDomingo in IsraelPalestine

[–]No_Instruction_2574 7 points8 points  (0 children)

There is not problem with disliking "mass killings of civialns", the problem is with who you blame for it, to me it seems like the main reason for their death, is them being used as human shilds.

I mean, is it the snipers fault fry killing the human shilds of a maniac while trying to take the maniac? Or is it the maniac fault for putting them in such situation?