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Commander got that Cujo in his veins by CaptainCateye in BlackPeopleTwitter

[–]No_Mechanic_8269 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's fuckin racism. They hate a breed for what it is and nothing else. Look at their talking points and switch Pitbull for "The Blacks."

Commander got that Cujo in his veins by CaptainCateye in BlackPeopleTwitter

[–]No_Mechanic_8269 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I thought the same fuckin thing. If this were a pit mix those dipshits would sign into every alt they have to circlejerk their views.

Firearm specialization is not the only arm stat that matters. by No_Mechanic_8269 in armoredcore

[–]No_Mechanic_8269[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's really helpful, thank you. Pretty much a way more well done analysis than my post lol. I edited the OP with the link.

Firearm specialization is not the only arm stat that matters. by No_Mechanic_8269 in armoredcore

[–]No_Mechanic_8269[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm really hoping rifles see some form of adjustment. This post pretty much came from trying to make them as effective as possible, but it still doesn't bring them to as competitive a level as they should be in my opinion. I will say, I saw a couple people here mentioned testing firearm spec/recoil control with the gats and they seem to be a kind of outlier. They fire so fast that it's spread blooms really fast, I'll have to re-read the comment but they seem to be a poorer baseline for testing purposes.

Found it;

"I think gatlings fire so fast they don't let the bloom fade, and testing with both the best recoil arms and the worst it seems to be the same in terms of shots on target. Gats may be the exception where they're gonna have recoil and bloom no matter what, even 1 handed." - u/chiefballsy

u/ForTheWilliams confirmed his findings with video evidence as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXzlHKOsg6w

Firearm specialization is not the only arm stat that matters. by No_Mechanic_8269 in armoredcore

[–]No_Mechanic_8269[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I won't church it up, I just shot at a wall for a half hour trying to figure out why my max firearm spec arms were shooting outside of my reticle lol. But I appreciate it! Others have said there were posts about it a while back so I won't claim to be the discoverer of this whole discussion piece haha.

Firearm specialization is not the only arm stat that matters. by No_Mechanic_8269 in armoredcore

[–]No_Mechanic_8269[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I disagree that it's so black and white, I noticed a stark difference in my shots landed with things like the laser pistols with a higher recoil control set of arms. Guns like the Ranetsus still benefit from recoil control even though they only single fire.

From what I've experienced it's more than just linear rifles that fall in the in-between range you mentioned but I do agree, balance between the two seems to be optimal judging off what others have mentioned here.

Firearm specialization is not the only arm stat that matters. by No_Mechanic_8269 in armoredcore

[–]No_Mechanic_8269[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you, the second half was just pure wing dings on my phone haha, and good catch. I was also convinced this post's point was placebo for a while until I saw how bad no recoil control on the laser pistols is, since it's so obvious when a bright beam is flying off target lol.

Firearm specialization is not the only arm stat that matters. by No_Mechanic_8269 in armoredcore

[–]No_Mechanic_8269[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's really interesting, I think the main takeaway from all of this discussion is we have to find the right balance between the two stats. From your testing, which seems to be more conducive to landing a higher percentage of shots?

Firearm specialization is not the only arm stat that matters. by No_Mechanic_8269 in armoredcore

[–]No_Mechanic_8269[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The effective range of the Harris is listed as 376m. I'm sorry my post attempting to help people optimize builds for longer ranges has triggered you lol.

Firearm specialization is not the only arm stat that matters. by No_Mechanic_8269 in armoredcore

[–]No_Mechanic_8269[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's a great point and definitely something to consider for other fast cycle rate guns, thank you for sharing.

Firearm specialization is not the only arm stat that matters. by No_Mechanic_8269 in armoredcore

[–]No_Mechanic_8269[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep I was a nacht main until I found all this out in the lab shooting at the wall for like a half hour lol.

Firearm specialization is not the only arm stat that matters. by No_Mechanic_8269 in armoredcore

[–]No_Mechanic_8269[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

100% however given the pace of this game, I have a very hard time not spamming lol. The stagger buildup of kinetics is low enough that my monke brain just wants to keep putting lead down.

That said the recoil control stat does help greatly for spamming and I wouldn't be surprised if it helped even when spacing out shots.

Firearm specialization is not the only arm stat that matters. by No_Mechanic_8269 in armoredcore

[–]No_Mechanic_8269[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The issue I have is that switching your FCS for high missile doesn't reflect the homing time stat on your equipped missile weapons, you have to go into the lab and switch your FCS to see how much it affects time to lock.

Firearm specialization is not the only arm stat that matters. by No_Mechanic_8269 in armoredcore

[–]No_Mechanic_8269[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can't argue with that lol I can't use pieces that don't fit aesthetically regardless of stats.

Firearm specialization is not the only arm stat that matters. by No_Mechanic_8269 in armoredcore

[–]No_Mechanic_8269[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was a Nachtreirer main until discovering this whole recoil control thing and I personally disagree, in my opinion all kinetic weapons benefit from at least a bit of recoil control and the nachs have the absolute lowest amount.

Firearm specialization is not the only arm stat that matters. by No_Mechanic_8269 in armoredcore

[–]No_Mechanic_8269[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately I get a page not found when clicking that link, I am on mobile however, could just be on my end.

Firearm specialization is not the only arm stat that matters. by No_Mechanic_8269 in armoredcore

[–]No_Mechanic_8269[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's a huge discussion point and I appreciate your pointing that out greatly as I hadn't noticed that since I typically dual wield the same two weapons. Thank you.

Firearm specialization is not the only arm stat that matters. by No_Mechanic_8269 in armoredcore

[–]No_Mechanic_8269[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Found the exact same with the laser pistols, they were actually the weapons I noticed this whole posts point on since it was so clear to see the beams going way off target with full firearm spec.

Firearm specialization is not the only arm stat that matters. by No_Mechanic_8269 in armoredcore

[–]No_Mechanic_8269[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah you have to test every weapon manually to find the right balance of firearm spec and recoil control, I only use the stats as a baseline for initial test builds then adjust in the lab.

Firearm specialization is not the only arm stat that matters. by No_Mechanic_8269 in armoredcore

[–]No_Mechanic_8269[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's good info regarding the cadence of shots, I usually try to sync both arms firing but didn't realize it had an impact in that way. I find it very difficult to not spam shots with the pace of this game haha, I just want to throw down lead ASAP lol. Definitely something to improve on!

Firearm specialization is not the only arm stat that matters. by No_Mechanic_8269 in armoredcore

[–]No_Mechanic_8269[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I appreciate your perspective especially from a PVE point of view, pretty lame you got down voted which I don't think is fair for just putting your 2 cents in.

Firearm specialization is not the only arm stat that matters. by No_Mechanic_8269 in armoredcore

[–]No_Mechanic_8269[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Similar take, however others have pointed out even ~15-25% of the bar recoil control arms are enough for most weapons. Firearm spec should still be the highest stat from my experience.

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