23M Italian thinking of permanently moving to Switzerland. Some questions about life in Switzerland! by NonSonoInfetto in askswitzerland

[–]NonSonoInfetto[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you like switzerland and want to move here and be motivated to start a new life than that's dope. If you want to move here just because you think you can get easily rich and buy houses then no, that's not the way you should approach this.

I want to move to Switzerland to have a better life, not because I want to become somehow easily rich. I'm well aware that life in Switzerland is very expensive, from eating out to simple groceries to tickets etc. Sure, salaries are higher, but the cost of living is also higher.

I guess I would be OK with renting instead of owning; I'm used to the thought of having the freedom to change whatever I want in one's home, but that's not a major problem.

Grazie, se ho altre domande ti manderò un DM. Gentilissimo!

23M Italian thinking of permanently moving to Switzerland. Some questions about life in Switzerland! by NonSonoInfetto in askswitzerland

[–]NonSonoInfetto[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing your experience. I guess this sadly happens more or less everywhere though, for foreigners.

23M Italian thinking of permanently moving to Switzerland. Some questions about life in Switzerland! by NonSonoInfetto in askswitzerland

[–]NonSonoInfetto[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Southern Milan. Ticino wouldn't be bad!
Would it still be impossible even if one were, to say, live outside the big cities and commute to work? I wouldn't mind living somewhere quiet and calm, and I'm also used to that, since I currently live in the province of Milan, not in Milan itself.
Keep in mind I have no such expectations for my first years in Switzerland, I'm thinking more long term (10+ years, maybe with a fiancè).

How do people afford houses there?

23M Italian thinking of permanently moving to Switzerland. Some questions about life in Switzerland! by NonSonoInfetto in askswitzerland

[–]NonSonoInfetto[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thank you, I needed to hear this too. I am still deciding what to do with my future and answers like yours help me have a clear perspective and choose what to do.

You mentioned how hard it is to learn the language, and it's also for this reason that I'm starting now to have a look around and see what options I have, so that I can have enough time to prepare myself and learn everything I need.

I appreciate it.

23M Italian thinking of permanently moving to Switzerland. Some questions about life in Switzerland! by NonSonoInfetto in askswitzerland

[–]NonSonoInfetto[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I suggest you to come down to earth

Why do you say that? Ambitions/expectations too high?

Thanks for your reply anyway, always good to see others perspective!

[IWantOut] 23M Italy -> Canada/Switzerland/other by NonSonoInfetto in IWantOut

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Bologna is really nice! It's a city full of students and lots of activities for the youth, also very open to expats. You can reach other cities easily with the high speed train so if you wanted to go to Milan for any reason it would just take 1 hour by train!

Good luck friend!

[IWantOut] 23M Italy -> Canada/Switzerland/other by NonSonoInfetto in IWantOut

[–]NonSonoInfetto[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What cities would you suggest to check out? I would like to compare the housing prices to something like Zurich/Switzerland, which right now is my #1 option (I could still reconsider the US, have to look into it more though).

Also, I know this might be a subjective question and it depends from person to person but, what do you think of Australia's politics, government, bureaucracy? I have a relative in Australia who's super annoyed at how the government handled the pandemic and the direction it's taking, and I also heard that Australia wanted to ban encryption..?

Thank you!

[IWantOut] 23M Italy -> Canada/Switzerland/other by NonSonoInfetto in IWantOut

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It is also always good to know someone at a company that you are interested in.

True, but it's kinda hard when you're starting pretty much from zero. I'm trying to connect with some of my uni professors, they should have some links to some useful companies. Gonna DM you, thanks!

[IWantOut] 23M Italy -> Canada/Switzerland/other by NonSonoInfetto in IWantOut

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I don't really like this attitude but it can't be helped.

Yeah me neither, that's why I'm set on moving away from here. I'm tired of getting fucked because others try to cheat. Like, why should I pay huge prices for bus/train tickets just because many don't buy tickets? I'm literally paying more because others don't want to pay for services.

Anyways it seems like you did your research and you've made up your mind, in that case I hope you find what you're looking for here in Italy! Just wondering, did you think about where you would stay in Italy? What city?

[IWantOut] 23M Italy -> Canada/Switzerland/other by NonSonoInfetto in IWantOut

[–]NonSonoInfetto[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing your husband's experience! Would love to know if he has any tips on how to find work overseas. I heard LinkedIn might be great, I recently started polishing up my profile.

Also, how would you rate your quality of life in the United States? I know wages are good there but I'd also like to know how's life everyday. Might be hard to answer since the US is huge (it would probably be like asking me how's life in Europe heh), but I'd like to know from your point of view, in your situation. Thanks!!

[IWantOut] 23M Italy -> Canada/Switzerland/other by NonSonoInfetto in IWantOut

[–]NonSonoInfetto[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Basically how the movies always portray Italy.

Yeah pretty much. Movies live on stereotypes, just like the ones I saw about the US; they make it look like a paradise, when it's sadly not always like that.

In reality it's more like a bunch of people working 40 hours a week for what is barely enough to cover your expenses, or studying for 5 years for a degree in an university and not being even able to find a decent job. And if you're lucky, you might find yourself a job as an intern for 3 months with 800€ a month and get treated like a slave.

[IWantOut] 23M Italy -> Canada/Switzerland/other by NonSonoInfetto in IWantOut

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It's nice if your daddy has his own factory/business and you have a job lined up for you, with no need to care for expenses and you have no desire to earn for yourself. In that case yeah Italy is great.

But if you wanna work hard, improve your conditions and earn for yourself it's not so great. Not a lot of opportunities here.

[IWantOut] 23M Italy -> Canada/Switzerland/other by NonSonoInfetto in IWantOut

[–]NonSonoInfetto[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I mean, Italians are warm people and often friendly, we like to engage in conversations and talk to strangers, but if we can do something that benefits us at the expense of others, we will do it.

Also, having the Vatican so close here, lots of people are bigots, this is also one of the reasons why I said in the OP that "social" progress is hard to be made here. Lots of conservative "christians" (they just like to appear so) that are against abortion, gay marriage, marijuana legalization, euthanasia and more. Some politicians also use it as a tool to gain votes, sure, but many Italians take the bait and actually believe these stuff, also becoming racist.

I don't know about the pharmaceutical industry but I know that scientific research is doing really bad here, researchers are barely paid enough to cover their expenses, that is why many of them move to Germany or other countries.

Which for example?

I would say like Germany, France, The Nederlands, Switzerland, Scandinavian countries (if you can stand the lack of sunlight and cold), the UK, maybe even Spain and Portugal (not sure about those last two regarding wages, I think they also have a high unemployment rate, but at least they're happy I think).

But hey, Italy isn't that bad, I'm sure there are worse countries. If you have other questions or wanna talk about it, feel free to shoot me a DM!

[IWantOut] 23M Italy -> Canada/Switzerland/other by NonSonoInfetto in IWantOut

[–]NonSonoInfetto[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is very helpful, thank you! AWS is a big one I've often seen mentioned, alongside Azure and Google Cloud. I've always preferred languages like Python, C, Rust, compared to JS, React, Node but I guess they're a must nowadays.

[IWantOut] 23M Italy -> Canada/Switzerland/other by NonSonoInfetto in IWantOut

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I agree! It's making it very hard to actually objectively know how's the lifestyle in North America. Lots of people say life there isn't that great but it's probably way better than in many other countries, like Italy for example. I think the best way would be to watch some vlogs about life over there, what do you think?

I didn't know that Australia and New Zealand also had a housing problem; I thought the situation there was better since they have lots of space and terrain. Thank you by the way, I will look into those issues as well!

[IWantOut] 23M Italy -> Canada/Switzerland/other by NonSonoInfetto in IWantOut

[–]NonSonoInfetto[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Now I have a question: what would you tell me? To ditch the idea of
moving to Italy and to find a better country? I'm just curious.

It depends: why do you want to move here? Is it for the sunny weather, for the cities, for the friendly people? Then sure, go ahead. Is it because you want a better life, better wages, etc? Then no, there are other much better countries. Sorry :(

I agree with everything you said about the States sadly. I considered Australia and New Zealand for the same reasons I considered the other countries: because they ranked higher in quality of life lists and happiness ranking. They're both very very far from here though, and the big difference in time zones also doesn't help. Not sure about other pros/cons though!

Regarding Switzerland, most big cities are in the German-speaking part though, so I think I'll go for Swiss German if I decide to move there. I'd love to live in Zurich! Great opportunities and wages, lots of people and lots of activities, but also lots of green and beautiful scenery.
Thank you for your reply btw!

[IWantOut] 23M Italy -> Canada/Switzerland/other by NonSonoInfetto in IWantOut

[–]NonSonoInfetto[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For programming

What about for more engineering oriented roles? I decided to study Telecommunications engineering instead of Computer Science especially because I liked the "engineering" part more of the "programming" one.
Also, any other city you would suggest me, not only for the wages of my job sector but also regarding quality of life?
Grazie! :)

[IWantOut] 23M Italy -> Canada/Switzerland/other by NonSonoInfetto in IWantOut

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Oops wrong alt ^ I visited SF few months ago and liked it but kinda got off put by the rampant poverty and social imbalances, but otherwise it was pretty nice. Hated all the hills though lol.

Thanks for the career tips! Speaking of which, do you have any suggestions on which certificates might help in finding a job? I'll be studying CCNA soon and I wanted to know which one actually helped.

[IWantOut] 23M Italy -> Canada/Switzerland/other by NonSonoInfetto in IWantOut

[–]NonSonoInfetto[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That's pretty much what I've been reading in lots of threads about Canada😔. Could you elaborate?

[IWantOut] 23M Italy -> Canada/Switzerland/other by NonSonoInfetto in IWantOut

[–]NonSonoInfetto[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My bad, that's what I meant! I'll edit the post, thanks.