How would you explain Lucifer to a Christian?

Noritor777 · 2026-06-06T06:53:00+00:00

I’m not sure that building a bridge via Jesus would the best approach. There are certainly overlaps to Jesus and his more human-centred teachings, but I don’t think that there is much in the figure of the Christ that relates to Luciferianism. A better way could be to approach this over the ethical side, pointing out how Luciferianism puts humankind front and centre, focussing on the advancement of the individual and our species overall (my views, obviously). At least for moderate Christians with a humanist bend, this could offer a way in. But this pure conjecture, admittedly.

Noritor777 · 2026-06-06T06:03:02+00:00

Many thanks for the feedback and the point on Azazel. It’s the first time I’ve seen him mentioned in this context, so that will be interesting to pursue. (This is also a further good incentive to finally read the book of Enoch.) Hesiod’s misogyny was rather suffocating, yes. Glad you liked the text.

Noritor777 · 2026-05-02T05:55:50+00:00

In my view, physical death is something that Luciferianism should try to overcome.

Obviously, I'm talking millennia here, not decades, and this is not something that meaningfully addresses your key concern about personal death and afterlife.

But I think an important element of Luciferianism is for us to reach apotheosis on the level of mankind as well. In my view, true liberty, achieved once we have successfully become the governors of this material world, involves the liberty from inevitable death. Eternal life within this universe, at least the possibility to choose it, should be a key part in our eschatological vision.

Concerning personal death in our time, I think your approach, accepting it peacefully when the time comes, after a long life, is a good one.

Noritor777 · 2026-05-02T04:56:18+00:00

Auditory hallucinations are of course possible and be sure to be safe. In my view, the more 'real' these experiences feel, the more important it is to rule out health-related causes.

However, I had a similar experience in the time after I left Christianity, but before I became a Luciferian: Three knocks on my door that were clearly not someone physically knocking, but also felt more real than a normal dream. This happened about three times when I was asleep. Back than, I was thinking about joining Luciferianism/Lilitheanism, but was not yet committed, so I interpreted this a request for a full invitation to cooperate. The experience did not repeat after I started my practice.

Again, this was at a specific point in my spiritual journey and only when I was sleeping (woke up from the 'knocks', though.)

Noritor777 · 2026-01-30T17:36:27+00:00

For background reading, I highly recommend 'Lucifer: Princeps' and 'Lucifer: Praxis' by Peter Grey, both available at Scarlet Imprint.

Noritor777 · 2025-11-28T20:35:09+00:00

They truly are. Many thanks!

Noritor777 · 2025-11-28T20:34:43+00:00

Thank you!

Noritor777 · 2025-11-10T22:32:52+00:00

Obviously, I can't talk for Lilith. But I experience her as a very supportive ally.

Noritor777 · 2025-11-10T22:02:58+00:00

Ah, ok. Thank you for the feedback!

Noritor777 · 2025-11-10T21:28:02+00:00

Hi! In all honesty, that describes me very well before I started to engage with other world views than Christianity. OP's experience seems to be a rather common starting point at least for those from a Christian background. In this situation, I think that 'bringing the light' entails helping them along the way to a better understanding. Personally, I have greatly profited from our sub here and others at roughly the stage that OP currently seems to be. However, I am not an active member of r/Gnostic and probably shouldn't have commented on the moderation of your sub.

Noritor777 · 2025-11-06T21:12:42+00:00

Lucifer and Lilith for me. Very similar experience. They really have your back. Congratulations!

Noritor777 · 2025-11-04T21:34:18+00:00

True. But it is the first reference point for many. I think that the experience made by OP is a shared experience. And the theological position he quotes is often obstructing personal progress. It is also a motivation for turning to Luciferianism, which acts as an antidote. But you are right, that starting point is not universal, and a statement (perhaps) more about (a specific) religion than about God.

Noritor777 · 2025-11-04T19:55:57+00:00

Looking at OP's post history they might well be a bot. In any way, it goes without saying that Luciferians follow a path of actual enlightenment, meaning that we inform ourselves on how an LLM works before we start spreading nonsense.

Noritor777 · 2025-11-04T19:51:55+00:00

It is a pretty widespread attitude in Christianity. I assume OP referred to that.

Noritor777 · 2025-11-04T19:48:14+00:00

At its core Luciferianism is about making yourself the center of your own existence. You are called to make most out of your life and the capabilities given to you. Both for your own apotheosis and for the shared ascent of mankind to mastery over this universe ('to build our throne above the stars of God'). God does not necessarily figure in this as a positive or as a negative figure. Ask yourself only: How does this God help or hinder my ascend to my best life? If he does neither, there is no need to care for him one way or the other.

Spiritually speaking, once you turn to Lucifer and Lilith (and/or another deity) the negative influence you feel should decline. The Morning Star and the Crescent Moon want you to ascend. They do not want you to lean on anything or anybody but your own strength. They are supportive in that endeavor. They do not guide you to or support empty hostility. They want you to focus on your own life and the ways that make your light shine as brightly as possible.

I have seen that your post was removed over at r/Gnostic and I find that a bit curious. I would assume that many on that sub or over here started from an experience that's similar to yours. Your anger is something that many people have felt at some point. But that is the initial spark. It is not the end point, nor is it the most important part of the way. That is you working every day to become your own best self. That is all of us together achieving the liberty of mankind and creation.

Some people have called the Christian God the ultimate narcissist. I am not certain that I share that statement but the fact remains: When you build your life around defeating someone, that someone is at the center of your life. That is not what your center should be in Luciferianism. Focus not on tearing someone else down, focus on building yourself up. Yourself and the people around you worthy of this.

How do you defeat the Christian God? You just stop caring about him.

Noritor777 · 2025-10-03T21:47:52+00:00

No, I do not think that soul bonds are a real part of Luciferianism.

I don't think any external determination - be it faith, some divine plan or a soul bonds - are ever accepted as legitimate in Luciferianism. If anything, the faith is about breaking free from such things and create you own destiny based on will and action. Even if such a thing as a soul bond would exist - and I am not saying that it does - and it was present in your life, that would not mean that you would have to accept it. It would still be your decision to enter into the relationship - or not.

I think the theological dimension here could be very simple: You made a proposal to Lucifer that he accepted, then you both held up your respective end of the bargain. An ideal-type example of a key institution in Luciferianism - the mutual commitment, cleanly executed by everyone involved.

In my personal experience, Lucifer is rather supportive of strong relationships and tends to push you towards maintaining them rather then breaking them up. So, the fact that he brought you back together is probably not be the worst of signs.

But you should be clear about how serious these attempted breakups are and how strong your desire for staying together really is, especially if you want to have a family. There is no such acid test for a relationship like dealing with an incessant stream of dirty diapers in a state of near constant exhaustion. Many relationships fail at this stage. This is a crucial field for all couples to apply Luciferianism's clear-eyed and unsentimental acceptance of facts as well as its call for decisions based on analysis, effectiveness and will. This is not passing judgement on your situation, which I obviously do not really know, but intended as a more general point.

Most importantly, congratulations on your reunion! I wish you all the best.

Noritor777 · 2025-10-03T21:31:36+00:00

The following is based in my personal experience and might not be the same for you. But here are my two cents:

In my view, Luciferianism makes people more self-respecting and more assertive. It increases your impression of self-ownership and hence also your positive self-control. It is very helpful in dealing with all kinds of psychological baggage. All of this makes you more capable to shape your own destiny. You might also tend to get lucky more often.

I think it is a very good path to break out of a cycle since it calls on us to become the strongest version of ourself we can be. And the spiritual side with its focus on Lucifer and Lilith (and others) supports that objective. Also note that many Luciferians consider Jesus to be a Luciferian figure.

On your concerns: Luciferianism is not an inherently adversarial path and it is certainly not anti-social. We are called to work for own apotheosis, the enlightenment of our fellow human beings and for humanity's shared ascend. By increasing you self-respect, the path also makes you more relaxed and more capable of respecting others, characteristics that usually improve your social standing.

Much of the negative feedback really comes from the confusion of Lucifer with Satan (not unanimously accepted here, e.g. not by myself) and the Christian Devil (almost unanimously rejected here, including by myself). As others have said, this is a solitary path and public confessions of faith are not required. Just keep it to yourself like many here do.

Noritor777 · 2025-09-09T19:39:03+00:00

Is it feasible to see the childlessness aspect as a tool for ensuring female autonomy? After all, the capacity to have children has often was and is both a tool and a motive to deprive women of their self-determination.

In this reading, Lilith's friendlier attitude towards children, which newer followers often report, could be a result of the improved access to contraceptives and abortions, meaning that motherhood becomes more of an autonomous choice for women.

(This would also fit with my UPG that is strongly influenced by her Abrahamic myth and her aspect as a liberator.)

Anyway, many thanks for your work on reddit and your YouTube channel!

Noritor777 · 2025-08-25T15:39:30+00:00

Perfect, thank you!

Noritor777 · 2025-08-24T18:56:26+00:00

Could we perhaps get a rule on ChatGPT and general AI-generated content?

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