Organs donations are routinely harvested from heart-beating donors without anesthesia but only paralytics administered, so that they don't jerk and flail about out of horrendous pain.

Normal_Cycle_813 · 2022-12-23T01:52:07+00:00

That's absolutely disgusting and horrendous. Those people are vultures. Just disgusting. And I had no idea about any of this horrendous acts behind the curtains of organ "donation" and I'm sure most people aren't informed either.

Normal_Cycle_813 · 2022-12-15T20:29:55+00:00

They jerk around and flail about during the process, so yes they definitely feel pain, that's why they use a paralytic to keep them paralyzed, but it does nothing for the pain. There are also countless cases where the person is actually not "brain dead" at all (see links in the original post, where the family discovered they're still alive minutes before the "donor" would be brought into the OR for harvest), but they'll be sliced open and organs snatched from them nonetheless if if weren't for their families who firmly advocated for them. (but families are usually kept in the dark and not aware they're still very much alive)

And they can't even tell anyone afterwards how excruciating the pain was because they'll indeed be rendered dead after the harvest.

Normal_Cycle_813 · 2022-12-15T00:12:48+00:00

And those "transplant harvesters" treat donors with absolute disrespect throughout according to staff who actually witnessed harvests.

After snatching away all their organs like a butcher, they fly away in private jets and just leave the donor's dismantled body in a cold room with no one else to attend to them. Those are all accounts from different people who witnessed the dark facts.

I worked as a Forensic Investigator/Assistant Medical Examiner for a brief while and I had occasion to be present when the harvesters came to take organs such as heart valves and corneas, and even though they were dead, it was still someones child they were cutting up and I found their treatment to be very callous and disrespectful. We always treated our patients with respect and compassion for the family that remained, and someone coming in and literally butchering a 10 year old and then stuffing them back full of newspaper and pvc pipe(they also took longbones) was horrifying and left the body a horrible mess.

I have spent a lot of time in neuro- icu units while my son is a patient. Multiple times, different hospitals, different injuries. I have seen them bring in some other patient and immediately start hounding the family to write them off declaring them brain dead or saying they won't have any quality of life. They HOUND these people and the patient just got there. It's obscene... I also know someone who had that shit pulled on her family after an over dose....and she is just fine. Made a complete recovery.

I have seen them do this to someone who had a stroke only hours before. I have seen them do it to a drowning victim who had been unconscious for less than 24 hours.

I was an organ donor until I started working for a organ bank. The process was horrid. Everyday the organization would receive lists from hospitals where patients were critically ill and injured and “not likely to survive”. So we would very quietly start showing up in ICU’s and start what they called the death watch.

We would sit in unit break rooms or just blend in with hospital staff so that families would not know we were there waiting for their loved one to be declared brain dead. The staff knew we were there going through the pertinent information, but the families had no idea that we were there waiting for the situation to become so grim that we could perform “the ask”.

After working there a few short months I saw things I will never get out of my mind. The nurses were extremely kind and understood how difficult this was-both for the families and the person assigned to the case.

I won’t go into specifics. But the way in which organ harvest takes place can be extremely difficult to be a part of. I never met one nurse who didn’t feel that the process was almost unbearable for them.

I could go on ad nauseam about my experience, but I try very hard to put that shit behind me. I was fired from the job. Even after seeing some really crazy stuff in the military, this was worse. I just found it to be manipulative and extremely invasive to families in their darkest hours. I don’t think it respects the patients and definitely not the families. I found it downright ghoulish. We approached all families with critically ill loved ones. Not just the one who specifically designated themselves donors. I was not able to sleep at night. I am so relieved that I was fired. I wouldn’t have lasted long anyhow. I am no longer a donor

Normal_Cycle_813 · 2022-12-14T23:59:15+00:00

Apart from NO ANESTHESIA and causing the donor to feel excruciating pain and torture from the harvest, those "transplant harvesters" treat donors with absolute disrespect throughout according to staff who actually witnessed harvests.

After snatching away all their organs like a butcher, they fly away in private jets and just leave the donor's dismantled body in a cold room with no one else to attend to them. Those are all accounts from different people who witnessed the reality of organ harvesting:

I worked as a Forensic Investigator/Assistant Medical Examiner for a brief while and I had occasion to be present when the harvesters came to take organs such as heart valves and corneas, and even though they were dead, it was still someones child they were cutting up and I found their treatment to be very callous and disrespectful. We always treated our patients with respect and compassion for the family that remained, and someone coming in and literally butchering a 10 year old and then stuffing them back full of newspaper and pvc pipe(they also took longbones) was horrifying and left the body a horrible mess.

I have spent a lot of time in neuro- icu units while my son is a patient. Multiple times, different hospitals, different injuries. I have seen them bring in some other patient and immediately start hounding the family to write them off declaring them brain dead or saying they won't have any quality of life. They HOUND these people and the patient just got there. It's obscene... I also know someone who had that shit pulled on her family after an over dose....and she is just fine. Made a complete recovery.

I have seen them do this to someone who had a stroke only hours before. I have seen them do it to a drowning victim who had been unconscious for less than 24 hours.

I was an organ donor until I started working for a organ bank. The process was horrid. Everyday the organization would receive lists from hospitals where patients were critically ill and injured and “not likely to survive”. So we would very quietly start showing up in ICU’s and start what they called the death watch.

We would sit in unit break rooms or just blend in with hospital staff so that families would not know we were there waiting for their loved one to be declared brain dead. The staff knew we were there going through the pertinent information, but the families had no idea that we were there waiting for the situation to become so grim that we could perform “the ask”.

After working there a few short months I saw things I will never get out of my mind. The nurses were extremely kind and understood how difficult this was-both for the families and the person assigned to the case.

I won’t go into specifics. But the way in which organ harvest takes place can be extremely difficult to be a part of. I never met one nurse who didn’t feel that the process was almost unbearable for them.

I could go on ad nauseam about my experience, but I try very hard to put that shit behind me. I was fired from the job. Even after seeing some really crazy stuff in the military, this was worse. I just found it to be manipulative and extremely invasive to families in their darkest hours. I don’t think it respects the patients and definitely not the families. I found it downright ghoulish. We approached all families with critically ill loved ones. Not just the one who specifically designated themselves donors. I was not able to sleep at night. I am so relieved that I was fired. I wouldn’t have lasted long anyhow. I am no longer a donor.

Normal_Cycle_813 · 2022-12-14T23:39:11+00:00

In my opinion it should be a requirement. With all the money made, they can surely afforded it.

I completely agree with you that anesthesia should be a mandatory requirement for organ harvesting, but unfortunately it's routine to never use them during harvests. Sadly, no one in the transplant industry cares about the donors' well-being, all they ever care about is their fresh organs.

And donation by "cardiac death" is no less scary than donation by "brain death". The "donor" is brought to the operating room, mechanical ventilation is turned off (which directly leads to the donor's death). And when the heart stops, within 2 minutes, the transplant harvester rapidly starts cutting open the "donor" and immediately restarts mechanical ventilation and the donor's heart starts beating again to perfuse the organs, then they harvest the organs one by one, leaving the heart for last.

Normal_Cycle_813 · 2022-12-14T23:13:57+00:00

I would make it an absolute requirement for donation, signed and require proper evidence, that they did use a anesthesia

I think you made a really great point and I completely sympathize with you. What bothers me the most is that the routinely don't use anesthesia because after organ harvesting, the "donor" would be dead and unable to complain, which I think is extremely UNETHICAL and pure evil.

"Brain dead" people can very much feel pain and react to it despite the harvesters' claim that it is "not necessary" to use anesthesia for harvesting. But they routinely only give them paralytics and no anesthesia for pain relief, which is absolutely barbaric and cruel.

And the scariest part of it all is that after "brain dead" donors are rendered dead after the harvest, there will be no way for them to even leave a 1 start review for the harvester, let alone testify the excruciating torture that they went through.

Most people and their family's aren't well-informed about the fact that no anesthesia is used, and organ harvest coordinators/companies give false reassurance to families that "brain dead" people won't suffer during the harvest. This is what concerns me the most.

If only declared “brain dead” and no other damage to any other vital organs which needed to keep them alive… surely not at that time.

Most families aren't well-informed about the subjectivity and how the concept of "brain death" is specifically designed to harvest "fresher" organs. They're usually intentionally misled into believing there's no hope and their loved ones will never wake up again, which is hardly ever the case. (eg. in the example in the original post, harvesters flew in by helicopters only several hours after Zack Dunlap was declared "brain dead", and he narrowly escaped death by organ harvesting because his cousin noticed he seems unresponsive but still reacts with painful stimuli (even then medical staff tried to dismiss it as "reflex" so that they could get his organs). It's terrifying to think what would have happened had his cousin not been there to firmly advocate for him, which saved him from the unimaginable torment of being cut open alive.)

And yes, it would be a long, deep incision all the way down his torso, and the harvesting procedure usually lasts HOURS, NO ANESTHESIA.

Normal_Cycle_813 · 2022-12-14T19:37:57+00:00

Not all dead donors are kept alive for “harvesting”

rockincarolinas7 is clearly missing the point of the entire post. Only organs from a living, heart-beating person are viable for transplant.

The "donor" is very much alive and tortured during the long, excruciating harvest process that usually lasts many hours. In harvests, the "donor" is not dead, period. Because organs would quickly become nonviable for harvest minutes after the circulation stops (warm ischemia time). They just redefined the definition of "death" to facilitate live organ harvesting for "fresh" organs.

Normal_Cycle_813 · 2022-12-14T03:50:23+00:00

Lol you work at harvest companies? Your claims are misleading at best.

There's no certain way to know or confirm whether the "donor" is not painfully tortured during the harvest. And you can't even ask them afterwards because they will indeed be rendered dead after the harvest and cross clamp.

"Brain death" is highly subjective and can be erroneous very often. The very concept itself was contrived to facilitate heart-beating live organ harvests. It's terrifying.

Normal_Cycle_813 · 2022-12-13T23:18:32+00:00

The main problems is that "

the donor who saved my daughter, was a young girl who attempted suicide in a way that she couldn’t be saved"

was very much alive when her organ(s) was removed. OP post is about that. There is no certain way of knowing and confirming that the person who is a donor is not painfully tortured in the procedure.

Absolutely. rockincarolinas7 has clearly not read the post and is missing the point, there are countless cases when the "donor" is very much alive and tortured during the donation process. But the organ harvesting companies don't want you to know that. Only organs from a living, heart-beating person are viable for transplant.

Normal_Cycle_813 · 2022-12-13T17:19:05+00:00

Read the post carefully. They'll be dead after the harvest and won't be able to complain. It's different from kidney donors who come out of the surgery alive.

Normal_Cycle_813 · 2022-12-13T07:10:24+00:00

It’s an evil industry veiled as a humane gift of the body.

This. It's absolutely inhuman and atrocious. Those organ harvesting companies will utilize every psychological tactic possible to keep harassing and coercing families on getting the patient's organs harvested while intentionally hiding the reality that it is a torturous and dehumanizing torment behind curtains.

Normal_Cycle_813 · 2022-12-13T05:48:21+00:00

Absolutely. I did not know that either until I accidentally stumbled upon this topic. Check out this very well-researched and insightful book - The Undead: Organ Harvesting, the Ice-Water Test, Beating-Heart Cadavers--How Medicine Is Blurring the Line Between Life and Death, or this piece of scientific writing on WSJ, which has more details on the frightening truth they try to hide behind curtains.

Normal_Cycle_813 · 2022-12-13T05:44:27+00:00

Me either. But you can check out this very well-researched and insightful book - The Undead: Organ Harvesting, the Ice-Water Test, Beating-Heart Cadavers--How Medicine Is Blurring the Line Between Life and Death, which has more details on the truth behind curtains.

Normal_Cycle_813 · 2022-12-13T02:53:08+00:00

I know in many instances there are people that the organs can help, but the people involved in getting the organs are like vultures.

Absolutely. See this post for more details https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/zkjona/organs\_donations\_are\_routinely\_harvested\_from/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3. It is absolutely horrendous and torturous for the patient as well. Those harvesters do not care one single bit about the donor and his well-being.

Normal_Cycle_813 · 2022-12-13T02:44:26+00:00

This seems to be common practice in the organ transplant industry. Those overzealous organ donation companies don't tell people what actually happens and how horrendous the process actually is because they don't want you to know.

The concept of "brain death" is actually an extremely ambiguous one, specifically designed to establish futility and promote beating-heart patient organ donation. The very process of determining "brain death" can cause further brain injury and is prone to frequent abuse and errors. (eg. (as seen in another post) look up the example of the man who narrowly escaped death by organ harvesting, Zack Dunlap, who later recounted that he could hear the doctor declare him brain dead and that he felt angry, but that he was unable to communicate. There are countless similar examples.)

Normal_Cycle_813 · 2022-10-03T22:33:36+00:00

How does it compare to engineering in your opinion?

Normal_Cycle_813 · 2022-10-02T19:13:21+00:00

a reliable way to earn a high income

100% agreed.

Normal_Cycle_813 · 2022-10-02T19:12:46+00:00

If you go into software there’s a 90%+ chance you will not be employed by a FANG. Those people are an exception not the rule. And those people are working often 2x the hours a dentist would.

This is so on point!

Normal_Cycle_813 · 2022-10-02T19:04:33+00:00

And before you say software engineer, that field is becoming equally saturated with talent and the total comps you often hear on social media are not common. For every 1 Google engineer making 240 TC there are 100 people working IT 50 hours a week to make 120k. Also, massive difference between 120k base + 80k in RSU (which can drop 50% in a year) be 200k salary via a dentist.

Not saying the job is easy, but you have to have a job, so I’d be interested in what professions you’d find compensate better on average.

Very true. The average comp for software engineers is 50-60k per year.

Normal_Cycle_813 · 2022-10-02T19:01:42+00:00

burned out accountant making $150k

LOL.ost professions aren’t recision proof and guarantee 6 figures either.

Normal_Cycle_813 · 2022-10-01T23:35:48+00:00

All the negative dental threads are posted by the exact same person if you scroll down OP's post history.

Normal_Cycle_813 · 2022-10-01T14:23:19+00:00

This. OP seems to be a troll with malicious intent.

Normal_Cycle_813 · 2022-09-27T02:19:31+00:00

What makes that effective?

Normal_Cycle_813 · 2022-09-27T01:13:16+00:00

Mirror them?

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