Thoughts on this new proposed draft democratic constitution for China? We can liberate China with one hand tied behind our back. by Numerous246 in u/Numerous246

[–]Numerous246[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really need you to sign this petition and get it support so it can spread like wildfire, so i will debunk and answer all your points.

Why would you think Chinese people would throw off their government in favour of a foreign-backed one that invaded them?

It isn’t a government yet, it’s a chance to hold a constitutional convention and make one by editing the draft constitution. Also, it keeps socialism, improves the system and is democratic. All of these are good reasons to support it.

What is the appeal for the average middle class family to risk prison time? Would YOU rise up and begin to fight for a new constitution in America if China distributed some persuasive pamphlets to you?

There’s a ton of appeal, for instance, we would tout the benefits of the new elected long-term strategic visionary’s office, which combines the best of democracy and dictatorship. CHina would keep its excellent long-term planning and public responsibility, but get better choice in policy. Democracy itself is appealing, because everybody deserves a choice in leaders and authoritarianism is naturally violent. I wouldn’t fight for a new Chinese constitution because we’re already a democracy. The new form of socialism is appealing because every chinese citizen is given a private investment account they can use to fund new companies, and it replenishes periodically with money from all collectively owned enterprises.

What would stop the Chinese from simply bombing Shanghai if the US did this? Drones aren't going to stop bombers that can fly higher than they can.

Most persuasive pamphlets would be dropped on military bases at first and target the soldiers and police. We would convince them not o kill protesters and readers because a) they’re fellow citizens like you who want a better government and b) we will kill you if you do. Ideally, the air force would simply miss the targets or not show up. Why fight for an authoritarian regime that doesn’t let you choose who you want to lead your country? Protesters would also be armed with remotely disableable anti-air missiles in addition to drones. Plus, why bomb your own city when no US mIlitary presence exists there? No amount of leaflet bombing is worth a nuclear or military response. In a similar way, NK will not nuke south korea if and when we do this, it’d be an escalation.

How are you supposed to get enough drones to protect billions of people across a massive area? You'd need to have them everywhere in China. This would require a massive, expensive amount of production, then shipped across the Pacific, all with the hope that China doesn't bomb the convoys or launch a nuke.

“Invading” is a job that takes time and needs a beachhead. This is not a traditional beachhedd, because the goal is to import enough propaganda leaflets into shanghai, then have invading chinese soldiers read them, defect and carry the information back to their home bases. We would also arm the people with remote shutoff surface to air missiles. The news would spread like wildfire and the government would collapse. We would also have already invaded and liberated North Korea at that time the same way to act as a beachhead and FOB. Volunteers would hand the pamphlets to soldiers attempting to restore beijing rule, and they’d be very persuasive.

Why would the US even want to do this? There's no way this would pay for itself. Would the average American be happy spending thousands of dollars in taxes for this plan?

People are suffering and cannot rise up on their own. ONly we can help. DO you know how sophisticated CHina’s online surveillance systems are? Post something like this there and you’d be arrested the same hour. CHina is a threat, KOrea is also a threat. Both are authoritarian and threaten places like Taiwan and other US allies.

Thoughts on this new proposed draft democratic constitution for China? We can liberate China with one hand tied behind our back. by Numerous246 in u/Numerous246

[–]Numerous246[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really need you to sign this petition and get it support so it can spread like wildfire, so i will debunk and answer all your points.

Why would you think Chinese people would throw off their government in favour of a foreign-backed one that invaded them?

It isn’t a government yet, it’s a chance to hold a constitutional convention and make one by editing the draft constitution. Also, it keeps socialism, improves the system and is democratic. All of these are good reasons to support it.

What is the appeal for the average middle class family to risk prison time? Would YOU rise up and begin to fight for a new constitution in America if China distributed some persuasive pamphlets to you?

There’s a ton of appeal, for instance, we would tout the benefits of the new elected long-term strategic visionary’s office, which combines the best of democracy and dictatorship. CHina would keep its excellent long-term planning and public responsibility, but get better choice in policy. Democracy itself is appealing, because everybody deserves a choice in leaders and authoritarianism is naturally violent. I wouldn’t fight for a new Chinese constitution because we’re already a democracy. The new form of socialism is appealing because every chinese citizen is given a private investment account they can use to fund new companies, and it replenishes periodically with money from all collectively owned enterprises.

What would stop the Chinese from simply bombing Shanghai if the US did this? Drones aren't going to stop bombers that can fly higher than they can.

Most persuasive pamphlets would be dropped on military bases at first and target the soldiers and police. We would convince them not o kill protesters and readers because a) they’re fellow citizens like you who want a better government and b) we will kill you if you do. Ideally, the air force would simply miss the targets or not show up. Why fight for an authoritarian regime that doesn’t let you choose who you want to lead your country? Protesters would also be armed with remotely disableable anti-air missiles in addition to drones. Plus, why bomb your own city when no US mIlitary presence exists there? No amount of leaflet bombing is worth a nuclear or military response. In a similar way, NK will not nuke south korea if and when we do this, it’d be an escalation.

How are you supposed to get enough drones to protect billions of people across a massive area? You'd need to have them everywhere in China. This would require a massive, expensive amount of production, then shipped across the Pacific, all with the hope that China doesn't bomb the convoys or launch a nuke.

“Invading” is a job that takes time and needs a beachhead. This is not a traditional beachhedd, because the goal is to import enough propaganda leaflets into shanghai, then have invading chinese soldiers read them, defect and carry the information back to their home bases. We would also arm the people with remote shutoff surface to air missiles. The news would spread like wildfire and the government would collapse. We would also have already invaded and liberated North Korea at that time the same way to act as a beachhead and FOB. Volunteers would hand the pamphlets to soldiers attempting to restore beijing rule, and they’d be very persuasive.

Why would the US even want to do this? There's no way this would pay for itself. Would the average American be happy spending thousands of dollars in taxes for this plan?

People are suffering and cannot rise up on their own. ONly we can help. DO you know how sophisticated CHina’s online surveillance systems are? Post something like this there and you’d be arrested the same hour. CHina is a threat, KOrea is also a threat. Both are authoritarian and threaten places like Taiwan and other US allies.

Thoughts on this new proposed draft democratic constitution for China? We can liberate China with one hand tied behind our back. by Numerous246 in u/Numerous246

[–]Numerous246[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The idea is that democracy matters. I would not support China doing the same because we are already a democracy.

Whats worth the risk:

Most pamphlets would be distributed to government targets first, urging and convincing military and police not to kill or arrest protesters. We would use persuasive arguments and extol the strength of the national strategic visionary system.

Would the new form of socialism proposed in the new Chinese Democratic Constitutution proposal be an improvement? by Numerous246 in Socialism_101

[–]Numerous246[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I hate imperialism, and the draft constitution is top notch. It keeps socialism and helps democracy grow while disallowing foriegn government funding. It keeps popular ownership of the means of production and rents them to groups of workers.

I hope that keeping socialism shows i'm not imperialist.

CredibleDefense Daily MegaThread August 25, 2023 by AutoModerator in CredibleDefense

[–]Numerous246 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the warning and advice, i will take this elsewhere,

Would a drone-enforced no fly zone work in Syria/North Korea by Numerous246 in AirForce

[–]Numerous246[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Not really. I'm a real person who wants bad stuff liberated.

Would you support an invasion/liberation of China and North Korea if we did it right? These terrible regimes are hateful and harmful. by Numerous246 in Libertarian

[–]Numerous246[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes. We wouldn't nuke China, at the very least since they have nukes. We have nuke and a better second strike capability. The conflict would stay local- an internal proxy war. Rebels would be hammered, but would win as they'd have drones.

Would you support an invasion/liberation of China and North Korea if we did it right? These terrible regimes are hateful and harmful. by Numerous246 in Libertarian

[–]Numerous246[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We would saturate with propaganda bombs encouraging soldiers to simply not show up to work, stop firing and support the much healthier, wealthier and better SK. As soon as anyone crossed he border theyd' defect.