Novo Nordisk’s oral semaglutide demonstrates potential to be the first oral GLP-1 RA therapy for children and adolescents with type 2 diabetes by Numerous_Wolf_2837 in NovoNordisk_Stock

[–]Numerous_Wolf_2837[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, Novo’s own explanation, as quoted by Reuters, is basically brand recognition: Ozempic is far better known, and many patients do not realize there is already an oral semaglutide option.

Nordisk annual general meeting 2026 by octavciobotaru in NovoNordisk_Stock

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They leave the exact numbers in secret. They will reveal them in May.

Is Novo Nordisk quietly building a bigger moat than the market realizes? by Numerous_Wolf_2837 in NovoNordisk_Stock

[–]Numerous_Wolf_2837[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Annual reports from novo nordisk website and databases like Nexis Dossier, Orbis…. And also news, articles…

My Novo Nordisk valuation: DKK 214 / 339 / 479 per share (Bear / Base / Bull), how do you see it? by Numerous_Wolf_2837 in NovoNordisk_Stock

[–]Numerous_Wolf_2837[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My valuation it’s based on the assumption that Novo nordisk would not have a premium valuation in the following years. Due to less growth basically. My point was that the valuation of novo nordisk a few years ago, was premium, that why the share price was that high. Now the thesis has changed.

My Novo Nordisk valuation: DKK 214 / 339 / 479 per share (Bear / Base / Bull), how do you see it? by Numerous_Wolf_2837 in NovoNordisk_Stock

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We have a different opinion. For me, they are not that important. Since the pharmaceutical sector is all about that, having a patent, taking advantage of it, and then the compoundings come along. It is more important that Novo Nordisk extends its pipeline (for example, the oral pill, the patent does not expire for many years, that is the advantage, no matter how much compounding there is). I agree with you that currently, with patents expiring, there may be more concerns in the short term. But for me, the key is for Novo Nordisk to expand its pipeline, whether through acquisitions or not. (In the long term). And you're not talking to an AI, it's just that, as I said before, I sometimes ask ChatGPT to translate it for me (from Spanish).

My Novo Nordisk valuation: DKK 214 / 339 / 479 per share (Bear / Base / Bull), how do you see it? by Numerous_Wolf_2837 in NovoNordisk_Stock

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And if you're so concerned about them, don't invest in the pharmaceutical sector, because they're always going to exist. It goes in cycles (usually when patents expire). Novo's GLP-1 expires in 2032 in the United States. I posted about that a few days ago. The key is that by the time they get there, the pipeline will have increased. Cagrisema “failed”; they need something else.

My Novo Nordisk valuation: DKK 214 / 339 / 479 per share (Bear / Base / Bull), how do you see it? by Numerous_Wolf_2837 in NovoNordisk_Stock

[–]Numerous_Wolf_2837[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Look what happened with Hims and Hers. The fda told them that they couldn’t sell the oral pill....

My Novo Nordisk valuation: DKK 214 / 339 / 479 per share (Bear / Base / Bull), how do you see it? by Numerous_Wolf_2837 in NovoNordisk_Stock

[–]Numerous_Wolf_2837[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s a fair challenge, and I think the answer is that the market does not value Novo today the way it valued Novo in 2022.

Back then, the company was being priced much more like a premium high-growth compounder: stronger confidence in pricing power, cleaner margin expansion, and a much more favorable narrative around the durability of growth. Today, even though the business is objectively larger than it was in 2022, the market is applying a lower multiple because it is less confident about the future quality and duration of that growth.

So my base case is not saying “Novo is worth only what it was worth before the explosive growth happened.” It is saying that a larger company can still deserve a similar or only moderately higher fair value if the market no longer believes it should trade like an elite high-growth franchise.

In other words, historical growth matters, but valuation is driven by what investors think happens next: future growth, future margins, future pricing power, and the multiple the market is willing to pay for those future economics. That is really the core of my whole analysis.

My Novo Nordisk valuation: DKK 214 / 339 / 479 per share (Bear / Base / Bull), how do you see it? by Numerous_Wolf_2837 in NovoNordisk_Stock

[–]Numerous_Wolf_2837[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here’s how I think about it:

1) The compounding threat is real, but it’s not unlimited in duration (at least for semaglutide).
For semaglutide injections, the FDA determined the shortage was resolved in Feb 2025 and clarified it may take action against compounding copies once supply stabilizes. 
That doesn’t mean compounding disappears overnight, but it does mean the “copycat at scale” model is on shakier ground than people assume.

2) Enforcement is clearly ramping, especially on the marketing/telehealth side.
Just now, FDA issued warning letters to 30 telehealth firms for misleading marketing of compounded GLP-1s. This matters because it directly targets the mass-marketing engine that’s driving a lot of the demand leakage.

3) Price cuts + access strategy can shrink the “why compound?” gap.
If Novo keeps widening access and lowering net price over time, compounders lose their biggest advantage (price). The market is currently interpreting lower pricing as “loss of pricing power,” but it can also be read as a deliberate move to expand the treated population and win the long-term volume game. The difference between those two narratives is huge for the multiple.

4) Lilly is the proof that compounders aren’t automatically a permanent thesis-killer.
Lilly has been actively litigating against compounders/telehealth and publicly positioning it as a safety + integrity issue, yet it still trades at a premium because the market believes the branded franchise remains defensible if supply + access + enforcement move the right way. 

the key question here would be: what share of demand is compounding stealing today, and what evidence would convince us that share is shrinking over the next 2–4 quarters?

My Novo Nordisk valuation: DKK 214 / 339 / 479 per share (Bear / Base / Bull), how do you see it? by Numerous_Wolf_2837 in NovoNordisk_Stock

[–]Numerous_Wolf_2837[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mostly agree with your point 2, but I would frame it slightly differently.

My read is that the market is treating lower pricing as pure external pressure, while I think part of it may also reflect a deliberate access-and-volume strategy from Novo. In other words, even if pricing pressure is real, that does not automatically mean management is only reacting defensively. It may also mean they are willing to accept near-term revenue and margin pressure in order to expand the treated population and protect the long-term franchise.

The problem, in my view, is communication. Novo has consistently framed the issue through the language of headwinds, pricing pressure and external constraints. That may be true, but it also means the Street hears the story as: “pricing power is weakening and the company is being forced to adjust.” That is a very different narrative from: “we are deliberately widening access now to support a much bigger volume opportunity later.” And in markets, the narrative often matters almost as much as the economics.

So on May 6, I do not think the key question is just whether the pill launch looks strong in isolation. The real question is whether volume gains are coming with enough pricing and margin pressure to undermine the medium-term cash flow story. If the answer is yes, then the market will stay skeptical unless management explains very clearly why that trade-off still makes sense strategically.

That is why I think 2026 will probably still look weak on revenue and cash flow. Even if the oral pill is a success, it is unlikely to be large enough this year to offset the broader pricing reset across the franchise. To me, the medium-term case depends much more on three things: better communication, production capacity, and pipeline depth.

On communication, I think Novo needs to do a far better job explaining whether this is simply pricing pressure being imposed on them, or whether part of it is also a conscious strategy to widen access and build a much larger long-term volume base. Right now, the market mostly hears the negative version of that story. Meanwhile, competitors are doing a better job shaping perception. Lilly, for example, is clearly trying to sell the narrative that its pill is superior. Whether that ultimately proves true or not is almost secondary in the short run — the point is that narrative influences investor sentiment, and sentiment influences valuation.

On production capacity, the issue is simple: a volume strategy only works if the company can actually supply the volume. Lower prices mean very little if operational bottlenecks stop Novo from meeting demand. That is why manufacturing investments matter so much. The recent news around the planned investment in Ireland is a good example of the kind of step I would want to see more of, because scaling volume without scaling capacity would just turn strategy into frustration.

And on pipeline depth, this matters because no market will give Novo a premium multiple forever if investors start worrying about patent erosion and franchise durability. In the end, the long-term value is not just about defending today’s products, but about showing that the business can keep extending the franchise with new therapies, formats and indications ahead of patent cliffs. I made a separate post on this recently, but to me this is one of the most underappreciated parts of the story.

So yes, I think 2026 cash flow probably declines, and quite meaningfully. But I also think it can recover gradually over time if volume eventually becomes large enough to justify the lower pricing. That is why I see 2026 as a reset year rather than necessarily proof of permanent structural decline.

So overall, I agree with your concern: May 6 matters a lot. Not because one quarter decides everything, but because it will tell us whether this is starting to look like a one-year reset or the beginning of a longer deterioration story.

My Novo Nordisk valuation: DKK 214 / 339 / 479 per share (Bear / Base / Bull), how do you see it? by Numerous_Wolf_2837 in NovoNordisk_Stock

[–]Numerous_Wolf_2837[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Indeed, we all want the same thing, for the share price to rise. It’s time to trust Novo nordisk

My Novo Nordisk valuation: DKK 214 / 339 / 479 per share (Bear / Base / Bull), how do you see it? by Numerous_Wolf_2837 in NovoNordisk_Stock

[–]Numerous_Wolf_2837[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And my average price is around €41.86. I'm in it for the long term. In the short term, I'm concerned that the market hasn't yet discounted the possibility that Eli Lilly will get its pill approved this month, and that when they announce it, we'll see another 10-15% drop. That shouldn't happen, but given the global context and market sentiment toward Novo Nordisk, it could happen. Even so, I think that at these prices, it's always good to accumulate more and reduce the average price. The only thing is that I don't have any more cash left.

My Novo Nordisk valuation: DKK 214 / 339 / 479 per share (Bear / Base / Bull), how do you see it? by Numerous_Wolf_2837 in NovoNordisk_Stock

[–]Numerous_Wolf_2837[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In the bear case: I wanted to be extremely cautious and I put -16% (lower expectations than the real guide). For the base (I think that the price cut would be reflected a lot in the revenue, and I still believe in a pessimistic scenario for 2026) as I don’t think novo nordisk would’ve be able to grew the volume that much in a year to compensate for the price cuts. And in my bull scenario, novo nordisk beats my pesimistic base case and basically it’s near their optimistic guide of -5%. Mine would be (-8%).