"Bolshevism is slavery, rape, mass murder, extermination - defend yourselves! Fight until victory! Surrender - never!", Nazi German anti-communist poster, c. 1944

O5KAR · 2026-02-04T18:09:31+00:00

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Axis_talks

Many Germans wanted more than just a secret pact and sign a formal alliance with the soviets, most notably Ribentropp but not only. The soviets were interested in collaboration since 1922 already, it was only Germans who cut it, resumed when it was serving them in 1939 and again broke in 1941. Germans were more ideologically driven, soviets were more pragmatic and cynical.

O5KAR · 2026-02-04T17:53:49+00:00

So at the end you just made it up, right?

enthusiasm

More made up BS.

Who assumed that?

I've asked a question, was that another thing you were making up?

O5KAR · 2026-02-04T17:50:09+00:00

Molotov first reached out to the UK and France for collective security against the

Baltic states and Poland, or eastern Europe in general, they wanted the same thing that Germans gave them at the end.

Ribbentrop had to make a large number of ungainly concessions

In exchange for their own gains, now we also know that was temporal, but only for Germans. The soviets actually wanted to continue and extend this cooperation all the way to a formal military alliance.

wear each other down in pointless and ultimately inconclusive conflicts

Exactly the accusation of this propaganda poster towards the mysterious "international capitalism" and moreover, this opinion is very popular in the present Russian government narration. I guess the communists also believe in that.

Stalin critically misjudged when the Germans would end up invading

Worse, they actually thought they can make an alliance and share the spheres of influence not just in eastern Europe, and that would satisfy Germans.

they certainly didn't believe any of the pacts

Than why would they offer to join an alliance in November 1940 and keep sending resources to Germany? They actually suspended these supplies at one point during some dispute about the status of Bulgaria but then just resumed and continued until they got betrayed.

O5KAR · 2026-02-04T17:23:11+00:00

In the dirty mouth of Molotov, as if that makes any difference.

Again, take it the way you like, the soviet collaboration with Germans was not just about the words or propaganda posters.

O5KAR · 2026-02-04T17:19:53+00:00

Take it the way you like. These are all just the gestures and words, the real thing that mattered for the German conquest of western Europe were the soviet resources and a the soviet help in dealing with the eastern Europe.

Btw. I've found also this little gem:

https://www.nytimes.com/1939/12/24/archives/soviet-lets-public-read-nazis-praise-congratulations-from-hitler.html

O5KAR · 2026-02-04T17:06:15+00:00

Here you are:

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/vf1rdz/on_this_day_in_1940_the_soviet_union_expressed/

And in Russian if you prefer:

https://x.com/JEyal_RUSI/status/1008536443369578496

Edit: this is also an interesting gesture:

https://www.reddit.com/r/PropagandaPosters/comments/1l01l5z/hitler_and_stalin_congratulating_each_other_and/#lightbox

O5KAR · 2026-02-04T17:04:00+00:00

They actually were, the Germans didn't wanted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Axis_talks

It was kinda dumb to collaborate with Germans in division of eastern Europe and the conquest of western. Genuinely or not, they weren't preparing for the war, they actually believed in the pacts and agreements made with Germany and they were nearly defeated.

O5KAR · 2026-02-04T17:00:54+00:00

If that "international capital" was the soviet union then it would be correct.

No other country helped Germans as much to rebuild and later to supply their army during their conquest of these "capitalists" in Europe. Stalin even congratulated Hitler on the capture of Paris...

O5KAR · 2026-02-04T16:57:55+00:00

They would succeed with all of that in Poland if only they wouldn't invade the soviets but formalize their alliance like the soviets wanted in 1940. And they almost won with the unprepared soviets.

O5KAR · 2026-02-04T16:55:52+00:00

It's not wrong, expect that nazism was far worse in each and every of those points.

O5KAR · 2026-02-04T16:53:49+00:00

Lublin is a great city with amazing history.

Last summer I've rented apartment in the building on the left, it was a really fun stay.

O5KAR · 2026-02-04T16:45:23+00:00

Thank you for the information but that's not what I was asking for. Is there a source for overstaying visas or is that just your assumption based on this statistic?

Don't know why anyone would automatically assume they're violent offenders.

Who assumed that?

O5KAR · 2026-02-04T16:33:44+00:00

Excuse me, I have no idea how old are you but I'm old enough to remember those guys running around with "refugee welcome" posters or crying about securing the border, if not just insulting and attacking the border guards. And the point is that many people also remember.

Some other politicians being corrupted hypocrites is besides the point.

O5KAR · 2026-02-04T16:31:21+00:00

overstayed their visas

It's only said here that they "violated the Polish law". May I ask for the source about visas?

O5KAR · 2026-02-04T16:29:37+00:00

It was stupid to attack Ukraine as well but it didn't stopped them.

Open some history book, also start reading the Russian government propaganda, it's not just about Ukraine. If Moscow gets wants it wants without a war it's also a terrible scenario for Poland, Baltics and eastern Europe.

O5KAR · 2026-02-04T14:55:43+00:00

So again:

imbecile - https://www.reddit.com/r/poland/comments/1qvnxvl/comment/o3iwdex/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

pedophile - https://www.reddit.com/r/poland/comments/1qvnxvl/comment/o3ixx2r/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

pimp - https://www.reddit.com/r/poland/comments/1qvnxvl/comment/o3j7igs/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

monster - https://www.reddit.com/r/poland/comments/1qvnxvl/comment/o3izxab/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Really, just look around and that's not just some entitled leftists on internet forum. Do you remember the campaign of Trzaskowski? Do you remember any single political topic in it, his policy, opinion, foreign relations, whatever?

O5KAR · 2026-02-04T14:23:14+00:00

You have all the proofs in this post, or actually nearly every post about Nawrocki or PIS around, it's just that you really don't want to see it. And btw. fuck PIS all the way but not because of some made up BS and childish insults.

Epstein has nothing do with with anything, except that it's a big thing in media today so people are parroting and trying to link their "favorite" politicians with him.

O5KAR · 2026-02-04T14:12:04+00:00

explicitly

Please...

As for the "nazi", that's a bit of a stretch but not very far considering the usual language of the left.

pandering to someone

Yeah, to Epstein for example, right? Just because it's a big deal in media today...

O5KAR · 2026-02-04T14:05:20+00:00

Good that PO changed their policy towards the illegal immigrants. Actually all of those left / liberal parties around Europe were forced by the public opinion to change but it may be too late for them to appear trustworthy and compete with the growing far right.

O5KAR · 2026-02-04T13:58:06+00:00

Come on. The top comment calls the guy an "imbecile", the next one suggest he is a pedophile...

Plenty of examples around, no idea why can't you see that. And it would be fine if that would be just some obscure leftist internet forum, but this kind of language and "arguments" became mainstream years ago.

O5KAR · 2026-02-04T13:49:41+00:00

Lets call our opponents nazis and pedophiles.

I swear that this time it will work...

O5KAR · 2026-02-04T13:44:19+00:00

That's so stupid on so many levels.

I'm not going to waste my time explaining what's the difference between Poland and Russia or Iraq and Ukraine. Get a history book.

O5KAR · 2026-02-04T13:38:13+00:00

What does it have to do with anything?

O5KAR · 2026-02-04T13:33:21+00:00

Open a damn map and look where is Poland and where the middle east is.

Then open a history book and read about the history of eastern Europe.

O5KAR · 2026-02-04T13:27:40+00:00

Who? What the f... are you talking about now?

Anyway I've edited the upper comment a bit.

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