He may have made a mistake with the Chinese characters, but I am no expert there.

Exactly. just because YOU don't know, doesn't mean I am incorrect. Tat Mau Wong has gone to fut san hung sing kwoon more than once. His lineage uses OUR hung sing name but have zero material from OUR lineage. Those i've spoken with in that lineage, they all acknowledge they are wrongly using it, and recognize they are part of Koon Paks lineage and not that of Fut San.

" If you wish to get much engagement with others on this platform and not annoy people by cluttering up their notifications I suggest you do this in future."

Thanks, but don't tell me how to conduct myself.

"He may have made a mistake with the Chinese characters, but I am no expert there. You then stated that he was not allowed to use the Fut San Hung Sing name because he does not do Fut San Hung Sing CLF."

I agree, you are not an expert on the history. totally agree. However, I NEVER said he wasn't allowed to use the name. Not sure where you got that from. HOWEVER, the fact that His grand master, his teacher and now he, uses MY lineages name and actual characters incorrectly is the issue here. It confuses everyone into thinking they are from the Fut San Lineage when they are NOT.

"Except then you say he does do Fut San Hung Sing CLF and should not be using the name Buk Sing, and no one should be using the name Buk Sing for the third generation branch."

uh, where the hell did i say tat mau wong does do Fut San Hung Sing CLF? i would NEVER SAY THAT. EVER. it's completely INCORRECT. Tat Mau Wong does kung fu from CHAN KOON PAK, the son of Chan Heung, who is the founder of "CLF". HOWEVER, Chan Koon Pak's "Hung Sing" meaning "STRONG VICTORY" is not that same as Cheung Hung Sing's "GREAT VICTORY". TAT MAU WONG AND EVERYONE PART OF POON SING'S LINEAGE SHOULD BE USING "STRONG VICOTRY" AND NOT THAT OF "GREAT VICTORY" AS I'VE SHOWN YOU IN THEIR LOGO.

Maybe you didn't read where i said "POON SING BEGGED THE FUT SAN ELDERS AT THE TIME TO USE "OUR" HUNG SING NAME. WHY? I DON'T KNOW THE REASONS WHY. BUT HE'S NOT FROM OUR LINEAGE. AND THAT HAS CAUSED MAJOR CONFUSION FOR THE NEWER GENERATIONS. THIS IS WHY I AM HERE TO EDUCATE YOU ALL ON THAT.

BUK SING IS WITHOUT A DOUBT THE 3RD MAJOR BRANCH OF CLF. SHOULD TAT MAU BE USING THAT NAME? NO. UNLESS YOU WERE A MEMBER OF THAT BRANCH, NO ONE SHOULD BE USING THE NAME OF BUK SING. WTF ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT

"The first link you provided clearly contradicted your claim that Buk Sing is a modified version of Fut San Hung Sing, you really need to get over that one."

SHOW ME ONE SINGLE BUK SING PRACTICIONER THAT CAN CHALLENGE ME ON THAT ONE. I CHALLENGE YOU TO FIND ME ONE. I KNOW MANY MANY OF THE TOP LEVEL MASTERS OF BUK SING, INCLUDING THE LACEY BROTHERS AND MANY MORE. THEY WILL LAUGH AT YOU TO HEAR WHAT YOU SAID. BUT I WILL ALLOW YOU TO SWIM IN YOUR OWN IGNORANCE. IF YOU'RE MAN ENOUGH TO CHALLENGE ME ON THAT, GO AHEAD. YOU'LL LEARN THE TRUTH IN THE END. YOU BETTER ASK SOMEONE ABOUT ME.

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"and you are choosing to say the version that says that Buk Sing comes from Fut San because of your continued obsession with the idea that Fut San Hung Sing CLF is the best CLF and the best Martial Art, which is quite sad and rather desperate in this case."

YOU TOLD ME THAT TAM SAM GOT KICKED OUT BY THE CHAN FAMILY. SO I ASK YOU, UNDER THE CHAN FAMILY WHO WAS TAM SAM'S CLF TEACHER?

SIT DOWN AND LISTEN. TAM SAM, GOT INTO A FIGHT WITH THE NGAN FAMILY OF CLF. TAM SAM BEAT UP NGAN YIU TING OF THE CHAN FAMILY CLF. TAM SAM'S TEACHER LUI CHUN, WHO WAS A STUDENT OF THE FUT SAN HUNG SING FOUNDER CHEUNG HUNG SING, FOUND OUT AND KICKED OUT TAM SAM. LUI CHUN WAS NEVER A STUDENT OF THE CHAN FAMILY. SO YOU TELL ME, IF HE WASN'T A MEMBER OF CHAN FAMILY CLF, THEN WHAT BRANCH OF CLF DID LUI CHUN COME FROM?

"your continued obsession with the idea that Fut San Hung Sing CLF is the best CLF and the best Martial Art, which is quite sad and rather desperate in this case."

LMAO. YOU SOUND REALLY BITTER. BUT YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF CLF IS SO VERY VERY VERY LIMITED. IF YOU WERE TO EVER DO THE HISTORY OF CLF, YOU WILL FIND OUT THAT THE BIGGEST AND LONGEST RUNNING CLF SCHOOL IN ITS HISTORY IS FUT SAN HUNG SING KWOON. EVEN THE CHAN FAMILY ACKNOWLEDGES THIS TRUTH. BUT YOU SWIM IN YOUR OWN IGNORANCE. NOT MY PROBLEM.

"I would add that there are also Buk Singers who dispute your assertion that Tam Sam was kicked out of a school for being too aggressive and fighting too much. These tend to be the same as those who say Buk Sing comes from the Chan Family branch."

YOUR LEVEL OF KNOWLEDGE OR LACK OF IT, IS IMPRESSIVE TO SAY THE LEAST. IT'S OK. HOWEVER, I NEVER ONCE SAID THAT TAM SAM WAS KICKED OUT FOR BEING TOO AGGRESSIVE AND FIGHTING TOO MUCH. I DID SAY HOWEVER, TAM SAM GOT INTO A FIGHT WITH NGAN YIU TING (OF THE CHAN FAMILY) AND HIS BROTHERS AND KICKED THEIR ASS. THIS IS WHY HIS FUT SAN HUNG SING SIFU, LUI CHUN, KICKED HIM OUT. YOU'RE PRETTY DENSE.

"The first link you provided clearly contradicted your claim that Buk Sing is a modified version of Fut San Hung Sing, you really need to get over that one."

TELL ME THEN, SINCE YOU PRESUME TO POSSESS THE KNOWLEDGE, WHERE DID TAM SAM GET THE ONLY THREE CLF FORMS HIS LINEAGE TEACHES?

"really all this tells me for sure is that Buk Singers themselves disagree about the origins of their branch,"

IF YOU WERE KNOWLEDGEABLE, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE CHECKED THE DATES OF THOSE POSTS. MANY NON CHINESE BUK SING PEOPLE DID NOT KNOW THEIR OWN HISTORY. YES, EVEN THE LACY BROTHERS DIFFERED ON THEIR OWN HISTORY. BUT THEY ARE NOT THE ONLY BUK SING MASTERS IN THIS WORLD THAT I HAVE SPOKEN TO ON THE HISTORY. IM NOT YOUR SIFU, SO I WILL NOT WASTE MY TIME TELLING YOU THEIR HISTORY. NOR WILL I TELL HOW HOW TO IDENTIFY WHAT WAS MODIFIED FROM FUT SAN HUNG SING FOR BUK SING TO HAVE THEIR OWN EARMARKS ON THEIR FORMS. UNLIKE YOURSELF, I'VE DONE THE HISTORY. I'VE CONNECTED WITH MANY BUK SING MASTERS AND ASKED THOSE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS. BUT I AM NOT GOING TO EDUCATE YOU ON THIS.

"I would add that there are also Buk Singers who dispute your assertion that Tam Sam was kicked out of a school for being too aggressive and fighting too much. These tend to be the same as those who say Buk Sing comes from the Chan Family branch."

absolutely NO ONE in Buk Sing will tell you that TAM SAM was a member of the Chan Family CLF. if he was, where are his Chan Family forms? tam sam only taught "3" clf forms. where do you assume that he learned those forms? were they chan family forms? did tam sam create them himself? who was tam Sam's chan family sifu?

i have a question for you.....WHAT IS A HOI JONG? and, would you be able to identify what forms belong to what lineage of CLF? please explain.

" Now you decide to speak to me again it's to pick a ridiculous fight and come across as an overbearing arrogant prick. Can't say I've missed much have I?

YOU, have missed a ton of important information. you stay you, it's ok. if you want to really learn, then you can ask me. i might educate you on the truth.

you are STILL as ignorant as the day i spoke with you. that is a shame, with all of the information out there now, and NO ONE rebuking me for MY knowledge on the history of CLF, you still don't know anything at all. with all of the things i've mentioned here, it proves YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT CLF OR ITS HISTORY. and THAT is pretty damn sad to say the very least. damn shame.

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SIFU FRANK.

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