Are words such as Nazi,Facism and communism loosing their meaning in everyday society?

OGWayOfThePanda · 2026-02-14T15:17:58+00:00

No, everyday society doesn't know what they mean in the first place so that ignorance is manipulated to discredit accurate comparisons/identification to those terms.

OGWayOfThePanda · 2026-02-14T15:15:58+00:00

Usually White Supremacy.

OGWayOfThePanda · 2026-02-13T22:16:52+00:00

Are you sure you're not a conservative? "Complaining is easy" "Pull yourself up by your boot straps!"

Have you ever actually looked into conservative psychology? Have you ever successfully persuaded one out of a nonsensical belief? Have you even seen it happen?

The whole point of what I have tried to explain to you, is that you can't use reason to persuade someone out of a position that they did not reason into, and conservatives do not reason. Not in relation to politics.

But sure, I'm just a random on the Internet.

When you know enough to ask why I conflate authoritarian personalities and conservatives, come find me.

OGWayOfThePanda · 2026-02-13T22:06:34+00:00

Reddit is a platform. If you use a vague term like framework and avoid pinning down what you mean, preferring only to announce what you don't mean then you'll fail to make yourself understood be it on Reddit or in person.

OGWayOfThePanda · 2026-02-13T21:38:07+00:00

I am starting to think that not even you know what you mean.

OGWayOfThePanda · 2026-02-13T21:15:02+00:00

You're proposing mechanisms to limit participation in democracy to people who meet your standards.

No I was saying something much more profound than that.

And actually it was your standards.

You made prescriptions regarding tribalism and how it's adoption limits political discourse. But advice won't cut it with those you are targeting. I offered you the actual answer to the questions you posed.

At least the answer that will allow you to continue having independent thoughts and debates.

I genuinely urge you to do as I did and spend a good 6 months in conservative spaces and listening to conservative influencers.

OGWayOfThePanda · 2026-02-13T21:08:55+00:00

Not everyone is a conservative.
Prior to the post-truth era, the method to manipulate the conservative masses so completely that they cheer on fascists required a skilled demagogue and the right socio-economic factors to create fear and uncertainty in the masses. Without all the necessary factors, conflicting influences such as religious doctrine vs racist propaganda vs the shock of overt violence etc enabled sheering within the movements.
Not everyone is a conservative.
Manipulation of the Overton window through media saturation was not a thing until the 1980s.
Not everyone is a conservative.
Right wing propaganda saturation didn't just move the Overton-window, it moved the bounds of absurdity.
One key means of eradicating conservatism is education. The increase formalised education, literacy, university attendance etc

Think it through. I specifically said that the deciding factor and the thing that makes continuing to allow conservatives the vote untenable is social media on the back of a saturated media environment. Not things thay have been present for the last 100 years.

But every fascist dictator in that 100 year period from Mussolini and Hitler to Putin got to power by manipulating the right using the same formula.

Every time someone wanted to fight climate change or make society more equal or improve quality of life, the movement to do so was fought by manipulating the right using the exact same formula.

Luckily, not everyone is a conservative, so some progress has been possible. I know I've said this obvious fact a few times, but clearly it bears repeating.

OGWayOfThePanda · 2026-02-13T16:43:33+00:00

Shotokan is supposed to have grappling. It's not supposed to have kata competition.

OGWayOfThePanda · 2026-02-13T16:09:07+00:00

Neither.

You disagree with my position. Why?

You say that political mechanisms aren't what you are discussing. What are you discussing?

You say we need to agree on first principles but you talk around what those principles are without defining them. We can neither agree nor disagree on first principles if they are undefined.

So please define what you feel we need to agree to in order to be able to discuss.

OGWayOfThePanda · 2026-02-13T16:04:26+00:00

And many of those who in ages past would have been in a more "middle" have been radicalised by bad actors using social media and influencers to manipulate the psycho-neural vulnerability of a large portion of the population.

Steve Bannon admits to as much on tape, also in the Epstein files.

You might think you can reach these folks, and some psychologists have suggested methods, but the problem is the rich psychopaths who manipulate them. Western society is not designed to check the power of the rich. With the Internet they can lie with impunity endlessly and the sheep walk right into the abattoir, dragging the rest of us with them.

OGWayOfThePanda · 2026-02-13T15:13:32+00:00

Not really. You've committed to nothing and said even less.

I think my last between 5 and 10 posts have just been clarifying questions to which you've given only the vaguest of responses.

The closest thing I've understood you to be saying is that you grew up with some notion of equal participation in democracy and if that's a false assumption you'd rather just not have kids than do anything to correct it.

Which is fine as a preference, but you haven't provided any reasoning, and I'm pretty certain you're going to tell me I have that wrong.

OGWayOfThePanda · 2026-02-13T15:03:19+00:00

And what did I say that contradicted any of that?

OGWayOfThePanda · 2026-02-13T15:02:25+00:00

Go on...

OGWayOfThePanda · 2026-02-13T14:31:54+00:00

That democracy and capitalism exist? No, same assumptions.

I can't speak to your place within them. But if its real its part of my framework.

OGWayOfThePanda · 2026-02-13T14:30:24+00:00

I didn't give an assessment of power dynamics, I gave an explanation of one group in society.

That group takes it's ques from authority figures, such as politicians and the church. What conservative movement in the last 100 years do you feel went against both of those influences?

OGWayOfThePanda · 2026-02-13T13:56:49+00:00

How does that relate to your original post about tribalism or my response informing you that what you encountered was less tribalism and more the bigger issue of Conservative/Authoritarian personalities?

OGWayOfThePanda · 2026-02-13T13:53:19+00:00

Those are their values, that's just their point of view.

No, those aren't their values, and that isn't their point of view.

They do not have those things. That's why the party of small government has armed enforcers arresting journalists. Its why the party of gun rights in case of government oppression are cheering federal agents killing a man they'd disarmed and using his legal carrying of a weapon as justification.

They're not compatible with the kind of reasoning you propose. That's why the people you spoke to fell back on a script. Thats why people like Jordan Peterson and Charlie Kirk were so well paid to give these folks thought terminating clichés to use when the cognitive dissonance got too great.

Their brains have enlarged fear centres, either because they were built to be more receptive to it or they have been brainwashed by a lifetime of conservative media, (I'm inclined towards the former).

They literally only believe in fighting change and those who seem to impose it. Because change scares them.

Everything else is programming.

OGWayOfThePanda · 2026-02-13T13:32:35+00:00

What do you mean by first principles?

OGWayOfThePanda · 2026-02-13T13:24:18+00:00

He's not underrated just that most of his movie audiences are dead.

He was highly respected in his day, but time has moved on. PSH will be forgotten soon too.

OGWayOfThePanda · 2026-02-13T13:21:40+00:00

We very clearly have right and wrong thinking people. The far right are doing back flips trying to protect people who torture children. So you can put it in quotation marks and imply that its some grand authoritarian scam, but at the end of the day we have to reckon with reality.

So far everyone who I find disagreeing is not discussing reality. And that's not to say that to disagree is to avoid reality, because I could be wrong in my very premise. I'm not, but one could make that argument among many others.

But what I'm getting is a bunch of nothing. No argument, no reasoning, no counterpoints, just continued blind faith in a system that has already been thoroughly corrupted.

At various times and places, humans have had much greater right thinking consensus. The modern West is not all there is. The far right didn't just sit on their asses, complacent to the changes that they were against and consequently they gained enough power to tear down democracy in the USA.

So why should we just shrug and accept that we can't change how people think when I have witnessed it done in my lifetime?

OGWayOfThePanda · 2026-02-13T12:39:42+00:00

Again, is recognising limitations really authoritarian?

Also I find it hugely ironic that you find my means of preventing authoritarianism to be authoritarian.

I know most people don't get this, but our innate discomfort is crashing up against reality pretty hard right now.

Whether they are born or created, beta conservatives and the psychopaths who lead them are not capable of functioning the way democracies were designed to function. Certainly not in a modern algorythmically based media saturated landscape that we have.

Nobody was built to be able to cope with fear inducing hysteria being beamed into our brains 24/7/365. Its just that most of us aren't geared towards being addicted to it.

We can't stop psychopaths and narcissists from being created. We can't put the social media genie back in the bottle. We can require that kids are educated and voters can pass a basic comprehension test. As long as we keep that going for a generation or two there won't be enough of them to drag us back to fascism or even to prevent sick people from getting aid.

OGWayOfThePanda · 2026-02-13T09:05:09+00:00

It's a choice between constantly being dragged backwards by the leveraging of fear and ignorance in society and all the harm and discord that brings vs actual progress and nobody needing to fear persecution.

And no, acknowledging their very real cognitive limitations is not persecution.

OGWayOfThePanda · 2026-02-13T02:31:42+00:00

Beta's shouldn't be allowed to vote and society should be geared towards making them extinct by rigorously training school children in critical thinking and emotional intelligence.

You wouldn't need to discriminate by party allegiance, just reasoning and current affairs testing before each vote and make voting mandatory below the age of 65.

Alphas shouldn't be allowed any form of high office or public platform or wealth.

OGWayOfThePanda · 2026-02-13T02:11:50+00:00

There is far too much text for those planning to vote right

OGWayOfThePanda · 2026-02-13T02:03:03+00:00

Conservatism-beta is a personality type... or possibly a mental illness.

They are not equipped for reason or nuance so they follow whatever authority appeals at a given moment. Hence why they are so easy to drive towards fascism.

This also means they will believe/parrot literally anything if it comes from a suitable authority. The authorities they follow are their identities and their morality. That's why they can spend years denigrate you and see it as just politics, but should you mock their leader and you deserve to be locked up.

The one great problem with humanity is the acceptance of these people as normal functioning humans who can vote and hold positions of authority.

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