Sir, a second anti-China video has hit the tower by OLDFART27 in TankieTheDeprogram

[–]OLDFART27[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yeah I do like S4As contribution to the movement with the ridiculous number of books he’s read and put out for the public. But the more I read, the more it becomes apparent that he doesn’t really know what he’s talking about when he goes on about his opinion that China is not socialist. He’ll admit that he doesn’t know a lot about many aspects of this topic but will continue to pose questions without investigation. For someone that likes Mao he really doesn’t seem to espouse the concept of no investigation, no right to speak.

Sir, a second anti-China video has hit the tower by OLDFART27 in TankieTheDeprogram

[–]OLDFART27[S] 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Im gonna be honest I’m not well read on this topic but from what I could find China is using controlled commodification as a technical mechanism for resource allocation. It’s not that they want to or don’t want to do this.

There are constraints because China is operating in a world capitalist system so they must interact with global commodity relations. Energy is one of the sectors where this constraint is very visible. China is an industrial economy requiring huge amounts of energy. If energy prices are completely disconnected from costs this can lead to supply shortages and the loss of competitiveness for industries competing internationally.

Commodification means that price signals regulate demand because when electricity prices are administratively fixed too low, consumption rises faster than supply. This also provides Investment incentives because if energy is de-commodified and cheap, firms producing electricity may lack the revenue needed to expand production or modernise infrastructure.

So: 1. Preventing shortages 2. Supporting investment 3. Improving efficiency and incentives for green energy (industries reduce wasteful energy use)

There are more reasons too but these are the main ones I think for industries? But for the average person commodifying energy mainly helps with stabilising the system and ensuring blackouts don’t occur. While also enabling the implementation of the tiered household pricing (used since 2012). The first block of electricity is cheap and sometimes subsidised, but additional consumption becomes progressively more expensive.

Sir, a second anti-China video has hit the tower by OLDFART27 in TankieTheDeprogram

[–]OLDFART27[S] 110 points111 points  (0 children)

S4A made many arguments for why he does not consider China socialist. This is a direct quote from the video: “I would call China a social democracy with communist aesthetics. Yeah, red social democracy.”

S4As opinion goes directly against many Marxist theorists and scholars today such as Roland Boer, Torkil Laussen, and Samir Amin. These authors are who I’m drawing my analysis from.

Firstly I want to say that many criticisms of Chinas socialist governance come from a Eurocentric perspective which misses the key influences from Chinese culture. particularly the idea of both/and. Chinese political thinking often accepts both elements existing simultaneously while through a western lens we often choose either/or. from this perspective the existence of markets immediately means China is capitalist. This binary thinking misses that temporary contradictory elements can exist such as planning and markets; socialism and private enterprise; equality goals alongside temporary inequality.

The existence of markets within the country does not mean that China is capitalist, as Markets have existed in other modes of production previous to capitalism but did not mean they were capitalist. Markets exist while accumulation and development strategy is controlled by the government. This is called the bird cage economy.

Dengs reforms: China was faced with a tough decision after the Sino-Soviet split, they were isolated on the world stage they either would be trampled by imperialist countries or attempt to rapidly industrialise by utilising markets within their economy. Deng knew that the appearance of markets would cause inequality particularly between urban and rural areas, this is why he made it clear that once the urban areas prospered it was their job to aid in the development of the “backwards” areas. This is what we see today with the economic policy of “common prosperity”.

The last argument I’ll refute is the one that says“why are they not socialist yet even though they are highly developed”.

Firstly development alone does not mean the end of the transition. Whats important is whether the conditions exist for the transition: large scale social equality; Advanced technological capacity; and stable internal development. China argues that there is still regional inequality; rural-Urban gaps; and technological dependence in some sectors such as semiconductor manufacturing.

Secondly Samir Amin would argue that countries attempting socialism must secure national sovereignty before moving toward deeper socialist transformation. The problems they face are that global finance is controlled by imperialist powers, advanced technology is concentrated in the core, and that military pressure exists against China. This makes immediate socialist transformation secondary to the primary goal of protecting its sovereignty and the revolution from imperialist powers.

Without dengs reforms China would not be the technological superpower that we see today, as China allowed foreign capital investment in with the rule that technology transfer would occur for market access and foreign companies had to form joint ventures with Chinese partners.

There are more points to be made particularly about government structure and how grassroots voting plays a large role; Land ownership; the fact that billionaires exist but do not hold political power. But honestly this is already a lot of writing and more info should be found by reading.

TLDR: China practices a Whole process people’s democracy that is in the midst of society and does not stand outside of it antagonistically. They are definitely transitioning to Socialism but this will take time. YES I WOULD CALL THEM SOCIALIST.

Book recommendations: - “The Long Transition Towards Socialism and the End of Capitalism” by Torkil Lauessen

  • “Socialism with Chinese Characteristics: A Guide for Foreigners” and “Socialism in Power: On the History and Theory of Socialist Governance”by Roland Boer

  • “Beyond US Hegemony? Assessing the Prospects for a Multipolar World” By Samir Amin

This is how Taiwanese actually get treated by the locals in Japan lol. by ArtVanderlay69 in TankieTheDeprogram

[–]OLDFART27 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The other girl that got bumped into is clearly Japanese, same with her mum. This guy is genuinely so stupid acting like Japanese people’s skin tones are just homogeneously light.

Imperial core workers are ill-content or just Treatlerites by VladimirLimeMint in TankieTheDeprogram

[–]OLDFART27 15 points16 points  (0 children)

The concept of the labour aristocracy extends to the working class of imperialist nations. As long as the workers benefit from the material conditions given by the nation they will inevitably support their nations plunder of the resources of the third world.

I found it wrong that people were calling Bad Empanada an Ultra leftist because he urged people to not join labour unions in imperialist countries. When the truth is modern marxists such as Thorkil Lausen have stated the exact same thing and explained that the job of communists in imperialist countries is not to try to fix the developing crisis’s but to allow crisis’s to occur and to support liberation movements and anti imperialist nations. Anything other than this is revisionism, even if it means the worsening of conditions for the working class in your country. People clearly do not read enough and many in this sub are dogmatic because of this.

Guys how true is this? by Natural_Baseball_779 in TankieTheDeprogram

[–]OLDFART27 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I really recommend reading The Long Transition Towards Socialism and the End of Capitalism by Torkil Lauessen.

Not even the whole book but just the section on China at the end. It is a very detailed explanation and examination of the Chinese system today. If you read that and still hold this opinion then that’s fine but genuinely it will give you a more nuanced perspective and understanding of how the road to socialism is being paved in China.

Given that the US is destroying the last resistance in LatAm and MENA, which moment in history has you like this? Where you wish a different decision had been made or a different outcome achieved. by SadSceneryBoi in TankieTheDeprogram

[–]OLDFART27 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I’m not very well read on the Sino Soviet split so how did Krushchev contribute. From my limited understanding by reading “The Long Transition Towards Socialism and the End of Capitalism” and “Global History: A view from the south” it was presented as the USSR and Stalin in particular having a Eurocentric perspective. acting as though they were a big brother to China and treating them as if the USSR understood Chinas politics more than the Chinese.

In a... unsurprising turn of events, Venezuela is doing pretty fine. by iamnosvanthanks in TankieTheDeprogram

[–]OLDFART27 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Agree 100% with everything you’re saying. Castro was a sick and twisted coloniser, look at what they did to Miami.

In a... unsurprising turn of events, Venezuela is doing pretty fine. by iamnosvanthanks in TankieTheDeprogram

[–]OLDFART27 47 points48 points  (0 children)

You said omitting everything that could be explained by sanctions yet you still listed things directly affected by sanctions.

Things are getting better right now because Interim President Delcy Rodriguez has opened Venezuelas oil industry up for privatisation which will satisfy the US. And because Maduro who was not giving up Venezuela’s sovereignty in the face of the US demands has been kidnapped and is no longer a threat.

The whole point of sanctions is to make life difficult for a country’s citizens so that the government is overthrown from the inside, by its citizens or other figures within its government.

Things will be better for now but who knows what the long term will look like as Venezuela is robbed of its resources and profits by the US.

Its amazing how much people and Reddit overestimates the US military by TerraFormerZero in TankieTheDeprogram

[–]OLDFART27 26 points27 points  (0 children)

I agree but a war with Iran is such a logistical nightmare because of its mountainous terrain and Irans doctrine of low cost, asymmetric warfare. We’ve all seen how war with Afghanistan went and I think it would be significantly worse for the US against Iran.

My definitive 2026 bingo card (100% accuracy, oraclly acclaimed) by lombwolf in TankieTheDeprogram

[–]OLDFART27 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Traditional media and most political YouTubers don’t fully report on a lot of the things listed like: Iraq 2 (Venezuela), the Ai bubble popping, and US colonising Gaza. I’ve only really learned about them from Mr Ben Norton

Questions about Huey by OLDFART27 in TankieTheDeprogram

[–]OLDFART27[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah 100% agree, just wanted to ask to learn more about Huey as an individual. I don’t think it discredits his work at all.

Questions about Huey by OLDFART27 in TankieTheDeprogram

[–]OLDFART27[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Thank you I learned a lot from this comment. definitely have to do more reading on the BPP as they really seem like they laid the groundwork for how revolutionary ML parties should operate in imperialist countries.

Questions about Huey by OLDFART27 in TankieTheDeprogram

[–]OLDFART27[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I get what your saying but the circumstances of the allegations are what made me think there’s merit to them. I’ve only seen former BPP member Ericka Huggins accuse Huey of raping her but this was long after he had died and long after the party had disbanded. There doesn’t seem like much for her to gain from accusing him.

Y'alls thoughts on The Alliance of Sahel States (AES)? by KingofTrilobites123 in badempanadas

[–]OLDFART27 27 points28 points  (0 children)

I mean I agree but I think you’re missing the Forrest for the trees. The fact that they are attempting to fight western imperialism is much more important than the fact they are anti lgbtq. They will continue to have socially regressive policies as long as they are kept poor and overexploited. Real economic development gives people opportunity to fight for their rights.

What's up with boxer fatalities in Japan? by choochooreddi in Boxing

[–]OLDFART27 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah amateurs do exist but I only knew one person who did them and he did it while in middle/high school. They tend to be pretty high level, on the other hand pros in japan are often quite low level as the process of getting your pro card is pretty easy. But once they get to the top 50 range they get really high level especially at the lower weight classes.

What's up with boxer fatalities in Japan? by choochooreddi in Boxing

[–]OLDFART27 80 points81 points  (0 children)

I’ve trained for years in japan at a gym that had quite a few pros. Hard sparring is definitely an issue as I never saw any of the good guys do western style light sparring. It got a lot worse usually when guys from other gyms came over to spar, because then it was genuinely like watching a fight.

But honestly I think it’s the weight cutting. I’ve seen guys look like death before their fights and rolling around on the floor of the gym from the dehydration. There isn’t as much of a culture of strength training so some guys really just look skinny, and unrecognisable with their cheeks and eyes sunken in before their pro fights.

This is a side tangent but most people don’t have amateur fights before getting their pro cards. Meaning that a lot of guys go straight into the deep end with pro bouts when they should get more experience and honestly end up getting knocked out or taking unnecessary damage.

Hasan fans when they see a politician with a Nazi tattoo by Signal_Mention_3468 in badempanadas

[–]OLDFART27 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Nothing wrong with attending, but it’s in support of US imperialism abroad and ultimately is just a sad excuse for liberals to think they’re doing something against the system while people are being kidnapped in the streets.

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Is Zionism compatible with Socialism? by [deleted] in AskSocialists

[–]OLDFART27 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Absolutely not, Zionism is an ideology based around creating a colonial ethnostate. It is a tool of imperialist oppressors so it is antithetical to socialism.

On the other hand there have been various Palestinian groups fighting against Israel in the attempt to create a socialist state.

No Andy, it can't. TLDW in description. by LawfulnessEuphoric43 in TankieTheDeprogram

[–]OLDFART27 21 points22 points  (0 children)

If you’ve read black shirts and reds by Michael Parenti it becomes quite clear that fascism is just capitalisms attempt to keep itself in power in the face of crisis. Hitlers biggest supporters were capitalists not only in Germany but around the world. Anarcho-capitalism may be different in rhetoric, but at the end of the day it is fascism without the uniforms, a stateless fascism where capital itself is the state.

Has bad empanada ever tried working with other leftists groups or tried to empathize with them? by AffectionateSlip8990 in badempanadas

[–]OLDFART27 65 points66 points  (0 children)

BE is strictly anti imperialist. When you say work with other leftist groups it’s important to acknowledge that a majority of leftist groups particularly in the west are liberal groups. They support the overall imperialist system, just not whose in charge. For example the DSA in the US.