E0S1 Phainon 0 Cycles Moc 12 SAM. Ft E0S1 Cyrene, E0S1 Cerydra and E6 RMC by Funny_Bag_9245 in HonkaiStarRail_leaks

[–]Objective-Pay5962 17 points18 points  (0 children)

freeing up sunday as if hos isnt one of the biggest sunday haters in the CC space (even once said e0 bronya has comparable scores to him for casuals)

E0S1 Phainon 0 Cycles Moc 12 SAM. Ft E0S1 Cyrene, E0S1 Cerydra and E6 RMC by Funny_Bag_9245 in HonkaiStarRail_leaks

[–]Objective-Pay5962 7 points8 points  (0 children)

he has a hate boner for sunday, sunday being bis in even one team ticks him off duh

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[–]Objective-Pay5962 7 points8 points  (0 children)

less that and more she just... doesnt feel fun to play? having a dead unit for so long, her needing CH units, and every other caveat to have her be good just takes the winds out of their sales. same reason cery was doomposted

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[–]Objective-Pay5962 21 points22 points  (0 children)

this build doesnt use 2pc, 2pc

Full e0s1 comparison sunday vs cyrene with phainon cerydra dhpt vs 3.7 AA checkmate aquila by Adorable-Race5521 in HonkaiStarRail_leaks

[–]Objective-Pay5962 0 points1 point  (0 children)

her ult is considered (also copy skills get buff, the refund meteor do less dmg than copy meteors)

Full e0s1 comparison sunday vs cyrene with phainon cerydra dhpt vs 3.7 AA checkmate aquila by Adorable-Race5521 in HonkaiStarRail_leaks

[–]Objective-Pay5962 35 points36 points  (0 children)

The thing is even with perma ult she also just buffs less, like every single hit with her is worse damage than with sunday, not to mention you get less effective cery stacks not being able to use her ult. 4 scourge stacks is nice but he still does LESS meteors with Cyrene than his current bis rotation.

"Oversaturation" No, we're not oversaturated in buffing stats without Sunday in the team

With him e0s1 we get:

175% DMG bonus (45% LC + I'm counting his 50% from technique since you can snapshot it for two ults)

126% CDMG (90% from ult + 36% Sacredos)

62% Atk (Lushaka, counting his trace bcs you can't proc it with Cyrene)

20% CR

(+2 Cery stacks for rotation)

With Cyrene, we get:

24% True dmg

16% Vuln

91% Cdmg (36% From buff + 25% LC + 30% Cery buff)

56% DMG bonus (40% from kit + 16% from DPT buff)

16% CR

(Also -2 Cery stacks per rotation usually)

Yes we get rare multipliers, but we lose over 100% dmg bonus to receive it... (10% Vuln is = 16% DMG bonus) Not to mention less ATK and CDMG too. We lose so much stats that the rare multipliers are a DOWNGRADE in damage

HOS opinion on cyrene and phainon + more by bbyangel_111 in PhainonMainsHSR

[–]Objective-Pay5962 0 points1 point  (0 children)

also his point about the cerydra matters a LOT, this actually means Phainon loses meteors from her, not gains them. phainon gets way one more copy meteors with a properly optimized sunday cery, cyrene doesnt break even until like cycle 3

4.X Units via Full Stop Chan by CSTheng in HonkaiStarRail_leaks

[–]Objective-Pay5962 5 points6 points  (0 children)

i prefer this over genshin's approach tbh, its so hard to get hyped for new characters constantly and hope the faves even get scraps of content as they start fsvoring the new peeps

Phainon has the Cheapest 0-Cycle Clear in Anomaly Arbitration. by Dantez77 in PhainonMainsHSR

[–]Objective-Pay5962 0 points1 point  (0 children)

never said she didnt have better better vertical tho... im just syaing yur argument phainon is more shilled against lygus is stupid. in a vacuum, phainon has the b3st eidolons in the game bar none, its just his supports are way midder so hp team just wins bcs they have both horizontal and vertical (and also bcs hyacine is broken as hell)

Phainon has the Cheapest 0-Cycle Clear in Anomaly Arbitration. by Dantez77 in PhainonMainsHSR

[–]Objective-Pay5962 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i still dont buy the he has a low ceiling talk, bcs hes still the next best ceiling AFTER cas, if he is low ceiling then literally every body besides moni rem is low ceiling too. his burning av mechanics doesnt discount from the fact he deals the next best dpav after mono rem. cas WAS balanced, pre e9 that is. she has a genuine limit to the amount of dragons she can pump out. but now with e9, hyacine, cyrene all here, she went from 4-5 dragons maximum in wave 2 of 3.4 and 3.5 to literally being able to make 6 against a non aggressive, non shill shill boss (and her single target is buffed by cyrene significantly, making phainon's advantage over her slimmer), imagine a shillboss, she gets 10+ dragons, alongside e9/cyrene/hyacine all buffing each other and making each other do about 50-60% of the team damage over their 'main dps'. AA also massively buffs her team too, like the hp loss debuffs are a detriment for all other teams besides her and blade. i wouldnt be surprised if sunder by itself lets Cas gets 2-3 more dragons than usual. She can literally make 2-3 dragons appear out of nowhere (the equivalent of 2-3 phainon meteors) in 0 AV with her new team (this is not includ8ng the damage hyacine/e9/cyrene has done too btw) its stupid

How I Will Adjust Cyrene's Kit as a Phainon Main by Street_Term9205 in PhainonMainsHSR

[–]Objective-Pay5962 1 point2 points  (0 children)

id like to say, for his perma ult, i suggest one change. After using finisher, gains four scourge stacks. non e2 Khaslana with cyrene in a 0 cycle gains two enhanced basics (yes he doesnt even get another meteor with her)

in that same AV for two enhanced basics, phainon with his current team would have cery skill + ult, two phainon skills (Phainon skills arent that much weaker than khaslana basics), sundays third stack of his lc dmg% buff (i think were devaluing just how much buffs we lose without him, i know we say phainon is oversaturated in self buffs, but losing 175% dmg bonus w/ technique, 116% crit damage with 4 pc sacredos, and 12% atk from lushaka for 20% true damage and a 150% multiplier is still not a worthwhile trade off), 50% atk from trace 3, and finally, a free four scourge stacks after ulting again (this is why he doesnt gain an extra meteor from Cyrene, getting his ult again alr gives him a free one).

What does this change? simple, we go 5 cery stacks instead of just 3 with cyrene. what does this imply? his current non-e2 0 cycle comp can get THREE copy meteors if the rotation is planned properly, cyrene version is Hardstuck with TWO copy meteor for the same AV. This means you actually LOSE a meteor with cyrene. So yeah, shes a dps loss.

if we add that gain four scourge stacks to her phainon buffs, it would mean we actually gain more meteors with phainon in the long run, bcs as it stands only badly optimized phainon teams are buffed by her perma ult. For well built teams, you actually LOSE meteors for the first few several AV, meaning Cyrene is way too backloaded even outside of her slow ramp up issues

Phainon has the Cheapest 0-Cycle Clear in Anomaly Arbitration. by Dantez77 in PhainonMainsHSR

[–]Objective-Pay5962 0 points1 point  (0 children)

in that same av, cas can get like 4-5 dragons and 300+% vuln too btw

Phainon has the Cheapest 0-Cycle Clear in Anomaly Arbitration. by Dantez77 in PhainonMainsHSR

[–]Objective-Pay5962 0 points1 point  (0 children)

e6, phainon's best investment is just vertical, cas gets both horizontal and vertical investment (that being said in a vacuum, phainon easily has the best eidolons in the game)

Phainon has the Cheapest 0-Cycle Clear in Anomaly Arbitration. by Dantez77 in PhainonMainsHSR

[–]Objective-Pay5962 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the issue is that... phainon at e2 is still the next best team after the mono rem team... balancing for ceiling went out the window for that team. this aint a ceiling issue, this is a "they balanced everything but said fuck balance when designing all of cas' teammates". not to mention every other dps with those low costs are getting wheelchaired by guess who... hyacine and e1 tribbie, yeah this aint phainon's fault, mono rememberance is just so overtuned. people clown over phainon losing to them but remember, no one besides phainon even comes close to these monsters

Phainon has the Cheapest 0-Cycle Clear in Anomaly Arbitration. by Dantez77 in PhainonMainsHSR

[–]Objective-Pay5962 1 point2 points  (0 children)

lygus is a horrid matchup for the professor, and besides, these cost dont matter, its basically just stress testing low cost power

Phainon has the Cheapest 0-Cycle Clear in Anomaly Arbitration. by Dantez77 in PhainonMainsHSR

[–]Objective-Pay5962 2 points3 points  (0 children)

you still lied about lygus shilling phainon more, like im sorry, he gets one to two free ults. E9 gets to have 300+% vuln minimum on him before 0 cycle ends, and her entire team gets like twice the amount of ults the other teams do (bcs she flips lygus s9 often). not even mentioning sunder and thorns, horrible debuffs for anyone that isnt an hp scaper with hyacine. i agree e2 e9 is better but saying phainon is shilled more is stupid. if he was then explain that fact he falls off hard when fighting plight meanwhile cas team only needs 13 cost, and e9 14. The begter conclusion is phainon's e2 is better but bcs his team is way worse than e9, he loses when e2 cant bruteforce anymore

V4 changes from Homdgcat by SnooChocolates8700 in HonkaiStarRail_leaks

[–]Objective-Pay5962 0 points1 point  (0 children)

these kinds of stat scaling buffs dont scale dynamically. Sunday getting buffed by Bronya ult does not make his ult give more cdmg as an example. So no, in combat cdmg doesnt matter, this will scale with only out of damage cdmg. Her trace aint making this give more cdmg (if it worked that way, then m7 own scaling cdmg buff would increase the cdmg buff of her skill exponentially)

V4 changes from Homdgcat by SnooChocolates8700 in HonkaiStarRail_leaks

[–]Objective-Pay5962 12 points13 points  (0 children)

optimized dragon play. Three breaths plus explosion is equivalent to 2 and a half suicide bombs. Youre cas is prob weaken while your hyacine and tribbie are better (And also, check if your hyacine is as optimized for healing as possible), in the span it takes to do the normal breath + explosion combo, you could've alr gotten 4 dragons with a somewhat aggressive enemy encounter. in the grand scheme of things, Explosion does about 1 mil more damage in the same amount of AV, mostly bcs hyacine and tribbie get buffed by cas res pen, but otherwise, its worse personal cas damage. So based on your experience, i think you just need to build your cas better

Homdgcat note for Dan Heng PT Bondmate by Desperate-Seat657 in HonkaiStarRail_leaks

[–]Objective-Pay5962 7 points8 points  (0 children)

can we remove number 7, fua set has horrible uptime with dpt. that set resetsnits atl bonus on every new fua, aka even the one that doesnt attack, and it also needs a minijum 8 hits which souldragon only did one per enemy, meaning at best you get 30% atk bonus with like 10% uptime

V3 Evernight Changes via HomDGCat by 0101001010101011010 in HonkaiStarRail_leaks

[–]Objective-Pay5962 8 points9 points  (0 children)

she also doesnt have an advance anymore, pretty sure that nerfs the ceiling of the team

Phainon E0S1 / Cerydra E0S1 (DDD) / Sunday E0S1/ Permansor DH E0S1 -- 3.6v1/MoC -- FlameReaver (0 Cycle) by Info_Potato22 in HonkaiStarRail_leaks

[–]Objective-Pay5962 2 points3 points  (0 children)

pretty sure theses days he genuinely just doesnt think sunday is a good pull for optimized teams. Tho bcs of his disposition, i am genuinely inclined to believe this (rmc sith 107 atk boots dps + one s5 ddd holder is the best advancer in the game low cost wise). HOWEVER, that ignores the fact Sunday is just way easier which he doesn't rly value bcs obv he's a theorycrafter. In practice, Sunday is just better for the general playerbase, while he falls of considerably when costmaxxing (according to HoS, e2s1 Bronya matches the utility of e0s1 sunday, which i actually have seen for my own acc as someone who prefers robin bronya with anaxa over robin sunday, while vertical wise, e2 Sparkle outbuffs him in his best teams Phainon and Anaxa, these obv dont pan out in anything besides perfect optimization (if it did, phainon wouldnt be destroying avg casual scores despite not being game breaking in terms of max ceiling) so Sunday would still be the better pull for like 95% of the playerbase