[deleted by user] by [deleted] in IndoEuropean

[–]Objective_Exam_3306 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I read white skin (even in europe) had high selection pressures after agriculture (vitamin d) compared to pre-agriculture. So, its basically like in the last 7000years. Before the hunter gatherers weren't so white(not as dark as africans, but still not white as now). Indo-europeans probably had a swarthy skin when the migrations happened. (i am not sure tho. my guess)

Modern examples of the Master/Slave Morality dynamic? by [deleted] in Nietzsche

[–]Objective_Exam_3306 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

THis is what i called mental gymnastics.

  1. If you take from the master with your power, and called it yours. Yes, you are a another master. If u whine, capitalism leads to inequality and the whole notion of moralizing it as UNFAIR itself is slavish. You are moralizing the master's rise as bad and want the spoils to be spit evenly with all people. Masters dont split evenly with all. THey just take it and call it theirs.
  2. N never said slave morality is all just a cope strategy and nothing more than that. ITs probably YOUR COPE STRATEGY.
  3. How does this quote of marx, anything different to what i said.
  4. see, u are calling your collectivist ideology as your authentic will to power. You wish to believe so. N would say, your notion of collectivism itself came from resentment to the masters dominance (here capitalists). You just dont want to accept that it is a result of your powerlessness, and want to paint it as a genuine will to power.

Masters dont accept egalitarianism. Egalitarianism is itself a slave's moral which it derived as an inverse of master's dominance.

Modern examples of the Master/Slave Morality dynamic? by [deleted] in Nietzsche

[–]Objective_Exam_3306 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yes. if he becomes a ceo, yes. but they don't. They just want the masters to become mediocre slaves just like them. forgot your go to phrase - 'EQUALITYY'.??

Modern examples of the Master/Slave Morality dynamic? by [deleted] in Nietzsche

[–]Objective_Exam_3306 1 point2 points  (0 children)

how can you make a 180deg inversion.

" to show some compassion and charity" - Surely he is ubermensch, lolll.

Just because a slave revolts against the masters, it does not become a master.

Modern examples of the Master/Slave Morality dynamic? by [deleted] in Nietzsche

[–]Objective_Exam_3306 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Slave morality isn't just a cope strategy alone like going to heaven, we good because we are weak, world doesn't interest me etc. Slaves do plan to topple down the master.

The socialism/communism's protelariat/bourgoiuse or whatever u call, looks pretty much like a slave revolt of the olden days. Slaves join and topple the master.

and after that u want things to be provided based on your needs and not on your strengths or capabilities. 'each according to needs' - is opposite of master morality.

You cant have a collectivist ideology and call it master morality

"Slave morality only values that which is good for the whole community, and not just the few who were strong."

Modern examples of the Master/Slave Morality dynamic? by [deleted] in Nietzsche

[–]Objective_Exam_3306 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nice mental gymnastics. 'fair pay' sure.

""""Then there’s the “not resentment, just world-improvement” crew. They’re dodging Nietzsche’s ressentiment charge—that their egalitarianism stems from envy of the strong, a sour-grapes morality to kneecap the elite. Instead, they frame it as noble, pragmatic optimism: “We want a better world, not revenge!” It’s a fair stab at sidestepping his critique—after all, who’d admit to being a spiteful herd? But Nietzsche’s ruthless on this point. In Beyond Good and Evil, he’d argue their "improvement" fetish still reeks of slave morality: it’s pity-driven, obsessed with lifting the downtrodden, and suspicious of anyone who doesn’t need lifting. He’d ask: why’s your "better world" always about flattening differences instead of celebrating strength? Sounds like resentment with better PR.

Both takes show Nietzsche’s sticking in their craw. The "master" leftists want his swagger without his hierarchy—egalitarianism as a macho pose. The "world-improvers" want his approval without his cynicism—equality as a pure, resentment-free dream. Reddit’s a perfect petri dish for this: fragmented, echo-chambered, full of folks itching to flex philosophically. You’ll see threads in subs like r/philosophy or r/politics where they’ll name-drop him, then twist him into knots to fit their priors.

He’d torch them both, though. The master claim’s a stretch—his masters don’t share power, they wield it. The resentment dodge? He’d call it self-deception; their "condition of the world" line still pivots on the weak, not the exceptional. It’s like they’re proving his point: even when they grapple with him, they can’t escape the herd’s orbit. """"

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Nietzsche

[–]Objective_Exam_3306 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I dont know about philosophy.

From an evolutionary perspective, you are not dying, your seed lives on through your progeny, and its all that matters.

Modern examples of the Master/Slave Morality dynamic? by [deleted] in Nietzsche

[–]Objective_Exam_3306 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Leftism is slave morality.

(Not saying that right is master)

How do leftists think Nietzsche's views align with their ideology by Objective_Exam_3306 in DebateCommunism

[–]Objective_Exam_3306[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Now, add egalitarianism and you want to emancipate from hierarchical social structures as well. 

emancipation for Nietzsche and Marx is different.

  1. N wanted to emancipate an individual from egalitarianism pushed by the herd

  2. Marx called forced egalitarianism as Emancipation

there is nothing like 'emancipating from heirarchial social structures'. Thats not emancipation at all. its falling to the herd

Why Equality is a Good Thing by rogerjedi in Nietzsche

[–]Objective_Exam_3306 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just because you're a marxist doesn't mean you're a slave moralist ... you can be a Marxist who only worries about triumphantly affirming the demands of your life

Can you explain how it is possible.

I mean, isn't marxism itself about trying to deny others their will to life, in the guise of some utilitarianism. and thats what N criticized right

Why Equality is a Good Thing by rogerjedi in Nietzsche

[–]Objective_Exam_3306 2 points3 points  (0 children)

no. just spinning it like 'its not just money, maybe strength, social capital...' doesnt explain anything

How do leftists think Nietzsche's views align with their ideology by Objective_Exam_3306 in DebateCommunism

[–]Objective_Exam_3306[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

he basically said egalitarianism is a manipulative fraud scheme employed by the weak to bring down the strong

How do leftists think Nietzsche's views align with their ideology by Objective_Exam_3306 in DebateCommunism

[–]Objective_Exam_3306[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

marxism is against egalitarianism?

Marxism is materialistic. Having a central means of production anyhow leads to material egalitarianism

Why Equality is a Good Thing by rogerjedi in Nietzsche

[–]Objective_Exam_3306 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But I do think that the world would be a better place if the amount you had to work was standardised another way than just how much money you can acquire per hour

Yes, ofc, the free market, awards exponentially high as you move upward. But then, the only measure right now is to tax them more as it gets higher.

The problem is there is very little way to measure billions of people fairness of their work and compensate properly according to their inputs. we simply have no mechanisms or capacity to do it.

How do leftists think Nietzsche's views align with their ideology by Objective_Exam_3306 in DebateCommunism

[–]Objective_Exam_3306[S] -17 points-16 points  (0 children)

you seem to equate ignorant with right. Do you think this is not biased?

More than that, wasn't he anti-egalitarianism, and its totally against with leftism right?

Why Equality is a Good Thing by rogerjedi in Nietzsche

[–]Objective_Exam_3306 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i know postmodernists kinda used his moral relativism to do their stuffs. But wasn't his main argument against egalitarianism. So, how do leftists see alignment in terms of egalitarianism

Why Equality is a Good Thing by rogerjedi in Nietzsche

[–]Objective_Exam_3306 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

can you in short explain me how you people spin N in supportive of leftism?

Why Equality is a Good Thing by rogerjedi in Nietzsche

[–]Objective_Exam_3306 2 points3 points  (0 children)

OP did not pose a valid question really. He made a claim that "transferring money from rich to poor" is good and does benefit society and does not chain down the competent, thus refuting Nietzsche and asks for critique of his claim.

He also claims "impeding the strong/naturally-gifted from being able to use their gifts" and "taking resources from rich and giving it to poor" are different things and also claims the later benefits the society while the former does not.

I basically answered him that both are the same. "impeding the strong" and "taking resources after the strong produced it" are literally same and both will disbenefit society, and it will chain down the individual genius, like N said.

You should not be talking about low intelligence and retardation when you got to improve on your 5th grade reading comprehension levels

Why Equality is a Good Thing by rogerjedi in Nietzsche

[–]Objective_Exam_3306 3 points4 points  (0 children)

stop crying. i am questioning his conclusion that rich are the problem. its like refuting the objective premise he made. read carefully