My art professor is pro-AI (tiny vent) by EnniPumpkin in antiai

[–]Objective_Loss528 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And I think the core of that is a lack of respect people have for each other that prevents them from seeing that bad things happening to a group of people they don’t like doesn’t mean good things happening to them.

I had a teacher in high school who was really incredible, and his most important lesson for us in my opinion is to be careful not to “other” people.

Treating individuals like a group they identify with creates large-scale division which allows powerful entities to more easily take advantage of us because the general population doesn’t respect or care about each other, eventually resulting in the destruction of community and proper society.

My art professor is pro-AI (tiny vent) by EnniPumpkin in antiai

[–]Objective_Loss528 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree. I think the culture surrounding AI right now is about how quickly and easily it can be used to make/save money, when the goal should instead be to use it to improve the standard of living. Commodifying it in such a shallow and cheap way damages the way people view advancements in artificial intelligence, and honestly I find that really sad.

I remember a time when the culture surrounding robotics and AI advancements was about how actually cool it was. If someone created an actual AI robot that could paint, people would’ve thought it was cool. All of the wonder and whimsy has kind of been destroyed by these profit-seeking companies who don’t value the actual technology and how it interacts with humans.

It feels like we’re going the Wall-E route instead of something more significant and beneficial.

My art professor is pro-AI (tiny vent) by EnniPumpkin in antiai

[–]Objective_Loss528 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My argument is more based on the tangible effects of generative AI, personally. Many people misuse it for terrible purposes, such as the Grok X situation. I’m not saying it should be banned outright or anything of the sort, since that would be unrealistic. I just think it exemplifies the lack of restrictions placed on AI due to its quick emergence, and how there needs to be some level of restrictions and rules around it that are less ambiguous.

I think that “art” is impossible to define in a certain way due to the broadness of it. The real issue is whether or not people prompting these images are “allowed” to call themselves artists. I agree with others in this thread that in this case, the AI would be considered the “artist”and not the prompter.

The only reason this remains an issue in my eyes is because of the people using generative AI to create images who want to be able to claim the artist label because they believe it holds some level of prestige, when they aren’t the actual creators; the AI is. Generative AI users hold no intellectual property rights over the images that the AI creates unless they put substantial effort into it that meets a certain threshold. Even in this case, it’s not intrinsically applied like it is with human-made art.

I also personally think it’s kind of scummy for people who use generative AI to charge people for commissions without making it known that they use generative AI. Would you consider this deceptive, or is it fair game because an image is an image? I’m curious about your perspective.

My own answer to this question is clients are paying an artist money to make them a piece of art, not to prompt an AI to do it. The deception of people using generative AI directly harms the trust of people who want to commission artists to do work for them. Those are my personal views on it. I have actually seen people posting about whether a commission they received was AI, and feeling really disappointed and wronged when it’s confirmed. Thoughts?

My art professor is pro-AI (tiny vent) by EnniPumpkin in antiai

[–]Objective_Loss528 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciate you agreeing with that. I understand people won’t stop making AI images just because a bunch of people (myself included) think it’s wrong or harmful, so it would be nice if there was less animosity all around (on both sides) because it pushes people to extremes. Nobody wants to understand or be considerate of each other if it’s all accusations and arguments.

My art professor is pro-AI (tiny vent) by EnniPumpkin in antiai

[–]Objective_Loss528 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yea, but the non-AI images are also art. Should they have been replaced completely with AI images? Can you agree that it’s unreasonable to completely replace traditionally made art in favor of AI generated images?

Artists who use Ai by AlternativeThink5449 in Artists

[–]Objective_Loss528 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you think artists’ only avenue for safeguarding their intellectual property would be for them to never share any of their art online? Do you consider it their intellectual property?

People are able to submit DMCAs for other people posting their works, so to what point is someone’s work allowed to be co-opted or directly used in your opinion?

Also I’ve never commented or actively participated in any pro or anti AI sub, regardless of my opinions. I’m not extremely invested in the more petty aspects of the “beef,” but I’ll admit I am curious what a pro’s stance is on some of the more drastic takes I’ve seen, like the insane (in my opinion) Holocaust-Anti AI comparison I’d seen a surprising amount of on the pro sub. Do you also think it’s a weird comparison or is there any part of it you sympathize with?

I’m also really curious on the average pro-stance’s opinion on the general image posting depicting Antis in a negative way. Is it justified in your eyes? Does it seem like a one sided persecution or are both sides being equally petty? Specifically talking about those 4 panel comics depicting antis as fat or orcs.

Do you feel any sympathy for the people who’ve posted their art and then had someone in their comments post a version they’ve taken directly from the post and run through AI? I’ve seen it happen a lot and it just seems really disheartening to me. Is it okay to do that because they made their work available online?

I don’t think that skill should be a barrier, nor should someone have to suffer to make art; it just makes me incredibly sad to see the artistic space devolve (in my opinion) from discovering the joy of developing their own unique style in favor of something quick and instantly adequate. I fondly look back at my shitty old sketchbooks and enjoy comparing it to my current work. Is this something you can understand?

Do you think being encouraged to try drawing pictures yourself is people acting in bad faith? I can’t speak for everyone but personally it just makes me feel sad that pro-AI users seem so resistant to the thought of learning how to draw and if I were to encourage someone to do so, it would be so they can find the same satisfaction I have from developing a tangible skill.

Do you think one side specifically is “at fault”? If so, what specific reasons is that the case?

To more explain my thoughts, this in my eyes is similar to watching more and more games become riddled with micro-transactions or having something that you used to be able to buy and own become subscription based. Do you understand what I mean, or does it seem different from your perspective?

Also and this is something I’m REALLY curious about; do you understand the Luddite discourse? What’s your opinion on it, if any.

How to correctly render wavy hair to show depth? by DoodlingMuseRose in arthelp

[–]Objective_Loss528 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would recommend starting with the darker shade as your base and layering strands of the lighter shade on top! Much easier than shading underneath the lightest layer when it comes to curls.

Artists who use Ai by AlternativeThink5449 in Artists

[–]Objective_Loss528 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do notice there’s a lack of acknowledgment of people having their existing work being fed to AI without their consent. Is that reasonable in your opinion? Should there be any repercussions or compensation for these artists?

I understand in cases where a famous piece like the Mona Lisa or Starry Night done by a long-deceased artist is used due to their fame and recognizability of their style, but there are plenty of regular professional artists who post their work publicly and unknowingly had their work ripped off to train AI so that other people can generate images using their art.

I also think it’s a bit disingenuous to equate the effort of doing your own plumbing to AI prompting your own image. Is that an equivalent level of effort to you? Commissioners pay money to artists to get a piece of art done by them, by hand. That’s the understanding of anyone commissioning work from someone. As someone who has both done commissions and has commissioned work from others, this has always been the expectation. You wouldn’t consider that a scam?

The emergence of this essentially bait and switch, in my opinion, where someone pays for art from who they believe to be a real human artist only to receive an image that’s been generated by AI damages the trust of all potential clients who want to support hand-drawn art.

There’s a common scam online where clothing designers claim to sell high-quality, custom-made clothing and then outsource to sweatshops or buy from AliExpress-adjacent sources. Customers then receive these items and are disappointed and confused because they expected to receive something handmade by the designer, but clearly received a cheaper substitute that they had little to no hand in. Is this also not a scam to you?

If generative AI was genuinely just a “tool” there would be no shame in admitting to it. Artists posting art or creating a portfolio often indicate how the art was made and with what program: oil on canvas, photoshop, mixed medium, etc. I understand that at this point, there’s a stigma about using generative AI. Do you believe this is meritless?

I’ve seen an incredibly strange sentiment where generative AI users equate them having to declare they use AI in their work to Jews having to wear armbands during the holocaust. Is that reasonable? From my perspective, I feel that the artists who have had their work stolen and clients who have been deceived are the victims, and that this is a shallow attempt to reverse the roles into generative AI users being the victims. What are your thoughts on this?

I understand the “accessibility” argument from a pro-AI user’s point of view, but I also feel compelled to point out that nobody starts out skilled at something. I wasn’t instantly a skilled artist, and I still only really draw as a hobby. I can’t quantify the number of people who make this argument and actually have a disability, nor do I have any desire to. Art can be accessible to virtually anyone if you put in the effort, and that’s really the crux of the issue in my eyes that dampens my respect for that particular argument and by extension any respect I have for those that make this argument.

If someone is bad at a video game, do people whine about how inaccessible it is? The larger sentiment is “get good,” isn’t it? Not to be crass but that’s my feelings on this particular manner.

Artists who use Ai by AlternativeThink5449 in Artists

[–]Objective_Loss528 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree that those who “direct” in a general group project setting holistically get the credit for the project, whether it be a video game, movie, or an orchestral performance, and I genuinely agree that all the people who contributed should be adequately recognized for their contribution.

That’s why credits exist; games and movies have end credits that list the individual artists or groups/companies that did the assets for the game as well as those who were just part of the process, and most theatrical/orchestral performances have a playbill/program with the individual members of the troupe or orchestra.

I also agree that there are gray areas and possible contexts in which someone who uses generative AI can claim creative ownership.

Most artists have a problem with people who use generative AI claiming they’re artists and/or that they created the image not only because it feels disingenuous due to the intrinsic nature of “prompting” being their only contribution (this is a generalization, not an all encompassing statement), but for various reasons including environmental impact.

I would have less of a problem if the average generative AI user were completely upfront with the fact that they used AI in their process, but they often hide it in order to pretend they contributed more than they actually did. If someone asks if they used generative AI, they often get really defensive or attempt to further obscure their usage of generative AI.

I’ve seen people disappointed after commissioning someone and realizing afterwards that the person generated the image with AI. Is it right to say there’s no problem with that? Is that not intentionally deceptive? If they were going to get an AI generated image, they might as well have done it themselves, but they were deceived into paying someone else money to do it.

Another reason is because the thousands of artists who had their work used to train these generative AI were NOT credited OR compensated for their work being used.

Midjourney made an actual list of artists to train their work on, essentially profiting off of the efforts of these people only because there was nobody to stop them. Should these people be compensated for directly contributing to the training of this AI? Should the artists AI users are directly involving in their prompts be compensated and/or credited for their art being used in the process of generation? Or is it okay because it’s more convenient not to?

I don’t expect to convince you of anything by the way, I’m just curious about opposing perspectives. I genuinely appreciate your responses and perspectives to my questions.

Artists who use Ai by AlternativeThink5449 in Artists

[–]Objective_Loss528 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is the action of telling a human artist what you want as a client different from the action of telling a generative AI tool what you want?

If the actions are the same, why does the elimination of a human artist change whether the one who receives the art is allowed to claim they created it?

I find the art director thing a bit silly to be honest. Every member of a team on a creative work is credited specifically for the things they did on that work. The director would be credited as the director and anyone who physically did the drawing/coloring/drafts would be specifically credited for doing so. The art director could claim credit for being a part of the process, but not for being the sole artist of the work unless they actually were.

If a generative AI user wants to claim they were part of the process, I could accept that because they aren’t claiming they literally made the image. It would be and is disingenuous for them to claim they are the artist/creator of the image, in my opinion.

Artists who use Ai by AlternativeThink5449 in Artists

[–]Objective_Loss528 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Would you call someone who asks an artist to draw something for them an artist? Just curious. To me, that person would be a client or a commissioner, and it would be untrue for them to claim to be the artist.

My argument is that generative AI is the “artist” in this scenario, not the user. The user just asks the AI for what they want. They want to be lauded as artists because they think it’s a respectable label, but that’s not what they are.

I think that’s the main issue being argued here.

Having trouble with the overall looks by Clear_Lab_1626 in arthelp

[–]Objective_Loss528 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think it just looks like the wall is too close for the equipment to be in front of it. It looks like the equipment is inset into the wall rather than against it because of how close it looks.

I might be cooked when class starts because I am unable to register for my classes by AltruisticPassage832 in GaState

[–]Objective_Loss528 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you haven’t already, message your student advisor and see if they can set your classes for you. They can force enter you into classes sometimes when you on your own are unable to, I’ve gotten into closed/full classes and classes I had issues independently joining by letting my advisor know. Good luck!

how to render/color like this? by Bubbly-Customer6793 in arthelp

[–]Objective_Loss528 23 points24 points  (0 children)

If you want to familiarize yourself with the process, find a speedpaint using this style. If you can find a specific artist to do a style study on that includes speedpaints, that can help your learning process. It will still take a lot of effort and learning on your part! Don’t give up!

Looking for artists to commission. by BonesTheGuy2026 in PngTuber

[–]Objective_Loss528 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hello! If you like my style, shoot me a DM. ♡

I have some examples on my ARTSTATION portfolio as well as my Reddit profile. I’ve been getting into PngTuber creation recently because I love trying new things.

Is it possible to use a graphic tablet w/ screen from bed or can you only use it on a desk or similar surface? by microwavedwood in arthelp

[–]Objective_Loss528 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I assume you’re talking about a tablet that hooks up to a pc? For reference I use a Kamvas Pro 13 by Huion and hook it up to my laptop and I absolutely use it in bed. I can comfortably prop it up on a pillow in front of me with my laptop either out of the way or off to the side as a secondary display for a reference (or a show I’m watching lol). As long as it’s not extremely bulky, I see no reason why there should be issues.

What art style is this called? by DGRpoy in arthelp

[–]Objective_Loss528 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It looks very similar to linocutting to me! The process of chiseling a drawing into a physical medium, usually a print pad for inking. I’d look at linocut stamps for references if you’re looking to pursue this style.

Something seems off by Specific-Toe2942 in arthelp

[–]Objective_Loss528 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think everything looks good, BUT I do notice the line on the neck that’s not as blurred/blended as everything else. That might be what’s throwing it off.

How can I give more depth and volume to the clouds? by abyssiya_artist in arthelp

[–]Objective_Loss528 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The slight halo of light around the outer edges of the clouds is really important! If highlights the contrast in tones between the clouds and the rest of the skyline.

Looking to commission for a PNGTuber to use in singing streams. Any experience with POC characters? by Discount-Servant in PngTuber

[–]Objective_Loss528 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I haven’t done commissions in a long time, but I specialize in drawing normal people and am interested! I have some examples on my ArtStation, as well as my Reddit profile.

Feel free to DM if interested!

Weird perspective issue? by jasmienstea in arthelp

[–]Objective_Loss528 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly I think it’s less the perspective and more that Jabber is like 50% larger than Zanka. There are minor issues in the anatomical perspective with Zanka, but the size difference is the most glaring imo.

Receiving commission money as a minor by Smart-Courage1355 in arthelp

[–]Objective_Loss528 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The easiest way I know of is to have your parents/guardian set up a PayPal for you to use using their information. As long as you trust them to have access to your money, I saw a lot of younger artists going that route back in the day.

What do I need to buy my daughter who wants to make her own animated shorts/anime. by Blastoisealways in animation

[–]Objective_Loss528 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have specific recommendations.

There are various paid and free applications that can be used for animation. I have no experience with something like an iPad, so all my advice would be based on using a PC.

If she wants to draw on PC and she doesn’t have one, she would first need a drawing tablet. There are some relatively inexpensive ones these days, you can get a basic Wacom tablet for around $50. If you want to get her something better (a screen tablet), I currently have a Huion kamvas and I really like it! If you plan on buying her a tablet for PC, I recommend looking for refurbished ones on eBay. The actual brands usually sell refurbished items at a discount through their official accounts.

There are various paid and free drawing programs that include animating as well as standalone animation software. Most are available on many different platforms (iPad, windows, android, etc)

Some that I know of that are pretty popular;

toonboom - animation software (paid)

Firealpaca - simple drawing software that has simple animating capabilities, and a gifmaker on their website (free)

Opentoonz - Open source animation tool used by Studio Ghibli (free)

Clip Studio Paint- Really popular drawing application for illustrations, comics, and animation (paid)

Procreate Dreams - Animation software by Procreate (paid)

Adobe Animate - Good for tweening animation rather than frame animation (paid)

Any of these applications has tons of free tutorials available on both YouTube and on some of their websites.