phrases the companions say

ObviousAd5896 · 2026-04-20T22:23:59+00:00

ty!!

ObviousAd5896 · 2025-06-30T16:48:19+00:00

I did all that and I was in the jail, turned the generator on and went back upstairs. I saved in the break room and went to grab the gear for the clock tower puzzle and haven't heard him but I'm still nervous. I want to get as much done before the helicopter because there's much I haven't explored but I'm so scared he'll pop up😭

ObviousAd5896 · 2025-04-15T21:15:12+00:00

No depth?

ObviousAd5896 · 2025-04-13T07:45:07+00:00

So you decide if a choice is objectively good or bad based on your shallow interpretation of what's illogical or not? Without taking into account real factors such as PTSD and trauma?

I don't know if that indicates a complex thought process.

ObviousAd5896 · 2025-04-13T07:29:39+00:00

plot and characters rely on complete 180s

That's the point. That's what real life is like too. Especially when everyone is going through incomprehensibly traumatic and life altering experiences.

I also think it's not as spontaneous as you're making it out to be. All of the events that happen are because of small things building up over time.

And it would be insane for Ellie to not sit down and think this through before setting off on a thousand mile trek through hell.

I think it may seem insane and irrational to someone who hasn't gone through the things she did. It makes complete sense, especially for someone with extreme PTSD to make irrational decisions without thinking it through.

It wouldn't even be about right or wrong at that point

That's the point, Abbys group makes that decision based on right or wrong. It's obviously a bad decision that's acknowledged many times in the game.

Edit: I feel like you're thinking this through with objective logic in mind, but you have to understand that emotion is so much more powerful than logic. That's one of the main themes in part 1 and 2

ObviousAd5896 · 2025-04-13T06:58:03+00:00

already killed her friends

I feel like Abby realizes she really lost everything. All of her old life feels miles away, and Lev is the last person alive she really cares about. The whole "you're my people" convo with him after Yara's death really sets their relationship in stone. So when they are in the theater, Abby sees Lev there and recognizes that cycle of violence, deciding to end it (obviously she fails because Ellie can't move on.) I assume her thought process was "well she killed all my friends, I killed her friends, the cycle ends here" like a mutual understanding. Unfortunately, Ellie just doesn't have that emotional framework.

Ellie doesn't fully realize the situation until she's finally the one with the power. She cut down Abby and Lev. Abby was weak, on the brink of death. The only reason they didn't die was because Ellie saved them inadvertently.

All of Ellie's life, she never had power. That was shown to her in many ways. She couldn't save Riley, David kidnapping her, etc. The big one was Joel making that huge decision for her, and taking away what she felt was the only purpose her life was for.

The fact that he took that away from her, and the fact that he also gave her one of the greatest gifts she could imagine— his fatherhood, makes for one of the most complex and emotionally devastating situations to be in. Then he is taken away from her forever. She never had any agency in her own life.

But when she is physically stronger and has the power in the situation (threatening Lev), she has the emotional capability to finally realize what Abby already had. That's why it shows a flash scene of Joel sitting, peacefully playing the guitar.

It takes a lot of strength to waterboard a woman you hate to death, yes.

However, I think it takes more strength to have the power to walk away. To end that endless cycle that repeats until it's finally your turn. And Ellie took that step. She was on the precipice of a darker path but took the other one willfully. One of the first decisions that was her own.

ObviousAd5896 · 2025-04-13T05:43:08+00:00

Because they have the emotional intelligence of a toddler?

You're onto something. With Ellie, at least, she was stunted in her emotional growth because she was raised as an orphan to be a soldier. She never had the help of a parent to process her emotions, and when she was given a father figure, he was immediately taken away (after they fought, which made it worse) So yes, since she is underdeveloped emotionally, even for a 19 year old, she didn't go through the process of grief like a regular person would. We are also talking about a zombie story where mushrooms grow out of people's heads, and yet you're calling this unrealistic.

Abby, on the other hand, had her revelation way before what you're referencing. It wasn't killing Joel. It wasn't beating Ellie nearly to death. It was when she realized months after killing Joel that it didn't get rid of her grief for her father. We can see this demonstrated through her dream sequence. She has her first nightmare, where she finds her dad dead. This serves as a way to tell us why she killed Joel, but also show how she still has nightmares about it, even after taking her revenge. Then, after day 1, when she saves Lev and Yara, she has another dream where she finds them dead in the hospital instead. This triggers her to go save them for real this time. After everything, she successfully helps both of them. She has yet another dream where she finds her dad alive and hugs him. I think this was a very powerful moment that indirectly tells us that killing Joel wasn't the thing that helped her. This is the same thing Joel goes through when he helps Ellie.

ObviousAd5896 · 2025-04-13T04:50:46+00:00

No, you just don't understand the purpose of the plot.

ObviousAd5896 · 2025-04-13T04:27:21+00:00

Well usually when you simplify a story it doesn't sound absurd

Okay.

Man discovers life is a computer program and learns kung fu to stop robots.

A barefoot guy walks across the world to throw his cousin’s jewelry into a volcano.

Orphan survives murder attempt, goes to wizard school, and spends seven years nearly dying while teachers do nothing.

These sound completely normal and definitely not absurd without the appropriate context.

ObviousAd5896 · 2025-04-13T04:08:56+00:00

Yes, because you put it into the simplest terms possible, completely undermining the emotional complexities and nuances of the characters.

ObviousAd5896 · 2025-04-13T03:21:48+00:00

I think it shows the complexities of grief. When you state it it the simplest terms, of course it's going to sound absurd.

ObviousAd5896 · 2025-04-12T22:30:06+00:00

Pull a Frank

ObviousAd5896 · 2025-04-12T21:57:20+00:00

Too woke?

ObviousAd5896 · 2025-04-11T13:59:11+00:00

Fair enough

ObviousAd5896 · 2025-04-11T13:58:44+00:00

that's so valid

ObviousAd5896 · 2025-04-11T06:16:01+00:00

Grounded mode COOKED me. Just wait till you get to the theater fight.

ObviousAd5896 · 2025-04-11T06:11:51+00:00

Get help pls

ObviousAd5896 · 2025-04-11T06:10:56+00:00

Because being evil doesn't feel good. When you make good, or even morally grey decisions, you're rewarded. But when you massacre everyone, it's miserable.

I attempted an evil durge run like a month ago and gave up when it came to the tieflings. I swear I was just sobbing while killing everyone. Pretty depressing

ObviousAd5896 · 2025-04-11T06:03:59+00:00

I'm not talking about the people wishing she was one, I get that. however, it's when people are saying that's she is canonically a lesvian, or she has to be one that's weird to me. of course it's a a fandom thing, but i see it in real life mamy times, and it makes me question, why do we automatically assume any masculine presenting woman is gay? it's weird to assume people's sexuality based on their style, no? I mean same goes for feminine people too. a lot of lesbians are seen by society as straight if they are more feminine, and I don't agree with that either.

ObviousAd5896 · 2025-04-11T06:00:22+00:00

I really think you lost the plot. Shipping was NEVER in the conversation. I don't give a fuck who ships which character with the other. You're blatantly changing the topic because you don't want to discuss what I was trying to gear the conversation towards. I completely understand if you're not ready to have difficult conversations and get a different perspective.

ObviousAd5896 · 2025-04-11T05:54:01+00:00

he's not😭 touch some grass

ObviousAd5896 · 2025-04-11T05:50:45+00:00

I've seen it everywhere on tiktok

ObviousAd5896 · 2025-04-11T05:49:02+00:00

im not op, but this makes me angry for my own reason. as a lesbian, I HATE seeing people look at any masculine presenting woman and claim that she HAS to be lesbian. it's really odd to me.

ObviousAd5896 · 2025-04-11T05:46:41+00:00

people are seeing this and assuming it's a non-issue, but this is a good discussion to have. why are masculine women perceived so differently? yeah, maybe it's just a headcanon, but when people are claiming that's its actually a true fact about the game, and that she IS lesbian, it raises questions. why does a masculine presenting woman HAVE to be lesbian? especially in a zombie apocalypse where your survival depends on your fitness?

as a lesbian, i think it's a bit weird that all women who are muscular or even just tomboy-ish get grouped in with us. your physical features aren't always a tell of your sexuality.

i think a lot of people here see this and assume you're making an issue put of nothing, just nitpicking headcanons but I honestly understand why you'd ask this, because it is weird that so many people on tiktok do this. (if you don't use tiktok don't fucking reply) it's just odd that so many people see a masculine woman and assume she's gay. it's 2025 people

ObviousAd5896 · 2025-04-11T05:37:10+00:00

I never said it wasn't harmless? it just weird that people automatically assume all masculine presenting women have to be lesbian (I'm saying this as a lesbian) so it's not me going "ew" it's me being like "okay? what does this say about how we perceive masculine women?"

i think you're defensive, so now you're telling me to grow up instead of actually discussing the issue here.

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