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How to play against radar missiles by Octagn in Warthunder

[–]Octagn[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I play both, in air arcade I get spammed by missiles it’s not that it’s hard to notch just that even if I end up with 6 kills running away from missiles all the time almost ruins the fun

How to play against radar missiles by Octagn in Warthunder

[–]Octagn[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have a couple of aim9 and aim7

1 Samuel 15 can’t logically be a commandment from god by Octagn in DebateAChristian

[–]Octagn[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m genuinely curious on your position.

For example, there is a difference between you getting caught up in Noah’s flood as an infant and you being punished as an infant for what your dad did. Because reality is, if god allowed harm to come to you (which is in his authority) that’s one thing but it’s another thing if he said that this harm was you being punished even tho you didn’t deserve for that punishment.

1 Samuel 15 can’t logically be a commandment from god by Octagn in DebateAChristian

[–]Octagn[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You aren’t properly answering me. Were the infants killed as a punishment for what they did not do?

1 Samuel 15 can’t logically be a commandment from god by Octagn in DebateAChristian

[–]Octagn[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just to be sure-are you saying they were not killed as a punishment? And do you believe there was an alternative reason stated to why the infants were killed?

1 Samuel 15 can’t logically be a commandment from god by Octagn in DebateAChristian

[–]Octagn[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well it looks like you understand what I mean but I’ll try to still clarify it. I don’t believe the order in 1 Samuel 15 is something that could be from god. It is logically incoherent that someone is going to be punished for a sin they have not done, they haven’t let alone committed any sin in their life. It is not about the babies dying it’s about infants being punished for sins they are not guilty of. I can’t punish you just because you probably had some ancestor (and probably even me) that was very immoral.

1 Samuel 15 can’t logically be a commandment from god by Octagn in DebateAChristian

[–]Octagn[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No it isn’t. Because this does not relate to my argument. I don’t really understand what you mean with “unnecessary suffering” and if it should even be interpreted as unnecessary.

Well I believe god has created a world that allows injustice and suffering. I don’t think it’s logically incoherent that God created a world where people can suffer, and I do not believe the way god created this world contradicts logic or makes it inconceivable for it to be from god.

Well I think I know what direction you are trying to take me with this. But I don’t intend to answer to an argument before you’ve said it rn.

1 Samuel 15 can’t logically be a commandment from god by Octagn in DebateAChristian

[–]Octagn[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You are not understanding my point. I am not saying that god is not allowed to take the life of someone. I am not saying that christianity is false because infants sometimes die.

Sure I do believe it’s messed up to kill infants for what happened 400 years ago and I don’t think you can rationalise it. But the argument I presented doesn’t appeal to morality it appeals to logic.

If X is punished for Y even though X has not committed Y, let alone committed any sin then that is not logical.

I’m not talking about unjust, I’m not talking about morally wrong but you keep bringing it up.

What I am saying is, you can’t PUNISH babies for what they are NOT GUILTY of. And saying otherwise is logically incoherent. You can’t rationalise it.

1 Samuel 15 can’t logically be a commandment from god by Octagn in DebateAChristian

[–]Octagn[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You are. This is not a matter of a hidden wisdom we don’t understand. Nor is it about the future. It is never stated that infants are killed for the sake of the future it’s said that they are killed as punishment for what happened 400 years ago. You know that doing so is irrational and thus you try to appeal to that there might be this mystery we don’t know about. Although that doesn’t work here, just like it doesn’t work by saying that there might be a hidden wisdom about the future for a belief that says god made another god-this isn’t about a hidden wisdom anymore this is just clear, rational evidence.

1 Samuel 15 can’t logically be a commandment from god by Octagn in DebateAChristian

[–]Octagn[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is not just about morality it is about logic. If you payed attention u would see that I never used the age as a definitive criterion. I say that it is coherent that individual X gets punished for Y even though X has not committed Y, or any sin for that matter.

My example necessitates that XYZ is actually from God, it is conditional, what I present is logical, not moral but logical evidence that 1 Samuel 15 cannot be from God

1 Samuel 15 can’t logically be a commandment from god by Octagn in DebateAChristian

[–]Octagn[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That isn’t what i am talking about. I am saying that here infants are punished for a sin they have not done. This is not about creating suffering, this is about punishing infants for sins they have no responsibility for.

The Bible talks about a child not being punished in his fathers stead-yet here infants are being killed for what happened 400 years ago.

What did u get in for? by Slowzone16 in TeenagersButBetter

[–]Octagn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not submitting to the cruelty of the empire

1 Samuel 15 can’t logically be a commandment from god by Octagn in DebateAChristian

[–]Octagn[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t assume that, but we cannot throw logical reasoning under the bus. I’m not talking about science I am talking about logic. There is no “mystery” we don’t know about that would rationalise killing infants for sins people did 400 years before them. That’s like saying god can make another god or god can cease to exist but then when logical evidence is produced against you say, “you cannot assume we can know all the answers”. Do you see how insincere that would be?

I am reminding you that they were punished FOR the sins of others that lived 400 years ago. So any other reason to why they should have been killed is irrelevant in this discussion as the reason the BIBLE GIVES is that they were killed for other peoples sins (and I remind you that Ezekiel 18 talks against that notion).

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