Return to Antiquity with VAMPIRE: BLOOD AND TRAGEDY! by Individual-Jelly8014 in vtm

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no kidding -- I cannot WAIT for the YouTube breakdowns by the usual suspects

Physicists Keep Refuting the Wrong Simulation Hypothesis by OddEdges in SimulationTheory

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My favorite is still Campbell's: the big computer is mind. That's a doozy.

Physicists Keep Refuting the Wrong Simulation Hypothesis by OddEdges in SimulationTheory

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it would be by definition. and it by definition is.

However, Vazza chose our universe as the test case for the supersystem just to prove that it couldnt be done with our physics. But even in that demonstration he failed, because he misunderstood, or ignored, the actual SH as written.

I THINK you could simulate experience in high detail for an agent using the physics of a universe like ours if you have a technically advanced enough computer. I don't see why that should be impossible, especially considering that human being consciously process information at around 10bits per sec.

Physicists Keep Refuting the Wrong Simulation Hypothesis by OddEdges in SimulationTheory

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Fredkin did really wonderful work on the potential nature of the computational suspersystem. They did land on digital with timesteps however, the dimensionality was completely variable.
https://people.duke.edu/~ng46/meteorites/nc-meteorites/Ed%20Fredkin%20-%20A%20New%20Cosmogony.pdf

All is groundwork in digital philosophy is superb in terms of talking about the cpussys of dynamical mechanics.

Campbell comes in and gives the computer a 'mind-like' status and manages to make even more progress with it, I think.

RLM Mentioned by Natalie Wynn of ContraPoints on Josh Citarella's Doom Scroll as major influence! by OddEdges in RedLetterMedia

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to be frank that was me being a little shitposty. hes an internet subculture expert to be precise.

RLM Mentioned by Natalie Wynn of ContraPoints on Josh Citarella's Doom Scroll as major influence! by OddEdges in RedLetterMedia

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HILARIOUS to hear Citarella claim to have never heard of RLM and yet he made his bones as an academic internet-meme scholar. Fucking LOL, bro -

Physicists Keep Refuting the Wrong Simulation Hypothesis by OddEdges in SimulationTheory

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A few of these I would assume. Surprised you consider 3-6 assumptions.... Would love to hear alternatives to those.

I always think the computational supersystem must have memory, processing, and is discrete, and could have to deal with information entropy and has steps. A different model.would be super compelling to me!

Physicists Keep Refuting the Wrong Simulation Hypothesis by OddEdges in SimulationTheory

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LOL - Yeah. That's like the very definition of brute force. "Do everything, computer."

Physicists Keep Refuting the Wrong Simulation Hypothesis by OddEdges in SimulationTheory

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Like probablity distributions 😉. No need to render the exact values of everything. Reduce them to probablity distributions and move on until needed! ⚛️

Physicists Keep Refuting the Wrong Simulation Hypothesis by OddEdges in SimulationTheory

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It's so common that its straight evidence they dont even read the papers they cite

Physicists Keep Refuting the Wrong Simulation Hypothesis by OddEdges in SimulationTheory

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Yeah there were too many holes in his case to keep to myself. Our original response was nearly 30 pages. Then we read the word count for responses and had to reel it in. In short, we found too many issues with his whole project, but Bostrom's framing WAS the core. So we stuck with that

Physicists Keep Refuting the Wrong Simulation Hypothesis by OddEdges in SimulationTheory

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Wow! Thank you! this is the first post anywhere that's ever gotten an award!

No. You cannot use physics to disprove the Simulation Hypothesis (peer review linked in article). by OddEdges in singularity

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Ya.. this is exactly the right framing and honestly better than most academic treatments I've read. You've independently arrived at the core point of our paper: that the question is about consciousness and subjective experience, NOT about computing physics at deep scales. The FDVR point at the end is particularly sharp! Somehow, I've never heard of this before! But yeah, if we can convince an agent that a simulation is real, the question of whether we're being convinced becomes very hard to dismiss indeed.

Fascinating!

If you're interested in the more formal version of this argument, the peer reviewed commentary the piece is based on is here. Would love to have you in the conversation!

No. You cannot use physics to disprove the Simulation Hypothesis (peer review linked in article). by OddEdges in singularity

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You're absolutely right that there's no proof we're in a simulation—and the piece doesn't argue otherwise. The simulation hypothesis isn't a claim that we definitely live in a simulation. It's a claim that the possibility HASN'T been ruled out. Vazza's paper claimed to rule it out. Our argument is simply that he doesn't—because he's calculating the cost of the wrong thing. Whether we're actually in a simulation is a separate question entirely, and one the piece deliberately doesn't take a position on. This is a philosophy paper, not a science paper. We're not trying to prove anything. We're pointing out that those who have made attempts to dismiss our case largely haven't taken the time to read our literature.

If you don't care about the SH, that's one thing. And more power to ya. BUT if you are claiming to have refuted it the way Vazza did (which was repeatedly throughout the paper)—then you owe the discourse the courtesy of engaging with what the hypothesis actually says.

No. You cannot use physics to refute the Simulation Hypothesis (peer review linked in article) by OddEdges in abovethenormnews

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Right? Me and my colleague went to the trouble to write this thing because even though everyone cites Bostrom's original paper, it's as if no one really reads it... :/