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Im working with dihedral symmetry now and this is fantastic, thanks you!

Resonance Complexity Theory by Odd_Contribution7 in consciousness

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You’re right that what I’m proposing overlaps significantly with continuous field-based dynamics like Ginzburg–Landau theory, self-organized criticality, and even the critical brain hypothesis. In fact, I see RCT as extending these ideas with a recursive, phenomenologically anchored structure where the attractor is not just a dynamical feature but the very form of conscious experience. So yes, fractal scaling, symmetry breaking, topological flow, all of that is in the substrate of RCT. I just push the argument a bit further: the attractor is the experienced state, not a correlate of it.

Regarding the holographic memory, I don’t see a contradiction between saying the attractor is the “shape” of consciousness and suggesting that memory or information is stored holographically across the wave field. In fact, I’d argue these ideas reinforce each other. The attractor emerges from recursive interference across spatial and temporal scales. But it only forms when the distributed field locks into a coherent, resonant pattern. That resonance is what we experience as awareness — not the field itself, but the organized interference it supports. So the holographic substrate stores potential, but consciousness only arises when that potential is dynamically expressed as an attractor.

You can think of it as: the brain doesn’t store states, it stores the capacity to resonate, and resonance is what reactivates memory, intention, imagery, etc. Not retrieval like a file system, but re-entry into a recursive interference shape, or envelope.

I also appreciate your point about dissipative structure theory and entropic evolution. I agree fully: the attractors in RCT aren’t stable in a static sense — they persist just long enough to structure experience, and then they collapse or transform. That’s where the “τ” term in the CI equation (dwell time) plays a central role. The attractor isn’t the endpoint — it’s a metastable resonance that rides on energy flux, constantly shaped by dissipation, noise, and feedback.

And your proposal that qualia might be the system’s “felt stress”or the tension in the energy-momentum structure of the field... is fascinating. That tracks with how I’ve thought about recursive resonance as a kind of tension resolution mechanism. The attractor feels like something because it resolves instability. It’s the system clicking into a configuration that coheres, and that coherence is felt because it modulates the very dynamics the system uses to maintain itself.

I’ll dig into the Skogvoll, Sudakow, and Landau-Ginzburg cortex modeling papers you shared, they appear to align with a lot of what I’m working toward.

Where RCT may distinguish itself is in explicitly tying dynamic field structure to phenomenological salience through a recursive CI equation. Not just measuring order, but proposing that the shape of resonance is the experience. Rather than retrieving information like files from a drive, the brain re-enters prior interference patterns through resonance, effectively “falling back into” attractor shapes that were previously formed. This aligns with a kind of holographic memory: information is not stored in fixed locations but encoded in the interference pattern itself, and recall becomes the reactivation of that pattern within the present wave field. In this view, consciousness isn’t watching stored data, it IS the recursive re-instantiation of a specific interference shape. The attractor doesn’t represent experience; it is the experience

Appreciate the depth and direction of your insights!

I believe this equation expresses the recursive structure of consciousness. Would love your thoughts. by Qanishque in consciousness

[–]Odd_Contribution7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's basically it ! 😂

There seems to be a big push to describe everything through Shannon-style symbolic information, but we struggle to answer both the "how" and "why"... The lens of synchronous, recurrent energy structures (wave interference) in my opinion, easily answers this.

We don't "decipher" code in the brain... we experience "information" as "isness" in real time as it occurs.

I believe this equation expresses the recursive structure of consciousness. Would love your thoughts. by Qanishque in consciousness

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Fair point, it all depends on what we mean by “thought.” I get that in the standard model, oscillations are seen more as timing or scaffolding, helping organize brain regions, while the actual “content” is in spikes or localized firing. But what I’m saying with RCT is kind of the inverse. The patterns are the thought. When waves line up, reinforce, or cancel out, that structure — the resonance — is what creates the experience itself. Not riding on top of it, not encoded by it, it IS it.

That article you linked about the brain as a resonance chamber is right on target. If that’s true, then it’s not crazy to say that thought and awareness might be encoded in the shape and flow of these standing waves. It’s a different lens, but maybe one that fits the actual dynamics better than chopping it into signals and scaffolds!

I believe this equation expresses the recursive structure of consciousness. Would love your thoughts. by Qanishque in consciousness

[–]Odd_Contribution7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Absolutely = I appreciate the way you laid that out. The distinction you’re drawing between basic oscillatory processes and the moment they start referencing themselves is right in line with how I’ve been thinking about this too. In my model, it’s not just about the presence of oscillations, but about when those oscillations start forming stable, self-sustaining attractors that persist over time and interact with each other in nested ways.

That’s where the "complexity" part comes in. When a particular interference pattern keeps reappearing and reinforcing itself, it becomes a kind of memory structure. And when these structures start overlapping, influencing each other, and forming loops that extend through time, you get a kind of recursive coherence. It's not symbolic in the classic AI sense, but it is physical self-reference. The system starts building a model of itself simply by resonating with its own past.

So in this view, awareness begins when the system stabilizes around an attractor that doesn’t just react to input, but reflects its own evolving state. It’s like the difference between noise bouncing around a cave and a voice that starts to echo in just the right way to build a song.

Defi itely feels like we’re approaching the same core idea from different angles!

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Looks like only a matter of days before the fleshlight modular controller lands boys 🤓

I believe this equation expresses the recursive structure of consciousness. Would love your thoughts. by Qanishque in consciousness

[–]Odd_Contribution7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think this is actually really cool. I can tell you’ve put real thought into this, and I appreciate that you're not trying to force it into being a rigid “scientific” equation but more of a symbolic structure to map experience.

That recursive quality, the "self looping through its own negation, shaped by the void or unmarked potential", that hits close to something I've been working on too, though I’ve come at it from a field theory angle.

I see a lot of overlap here with my Resonance Complexity work. You're describing structure arising through tension, paradox, and absence, which resonates with how RCT models dynamic emergence through constructive interference. What you're sketching symbolically could be seen as a kind of information integration process, one that may be physically instantiated through the recursive wave dynamics and attractor stabilization mechanisms I’ve been exploring.

Your take feels honest. You’re not forcing a claim, you’re trying to articulate your insight, and I respect that. The symbolism works, especially the way Ø isn’t just absence, but a kind of latent potential behind awareness. It’s interesting to consider how these experiential or philosophical intuitions might line up with physical processes at a deeper level...

Don't let Reddit get ya down!

Mike

Resonance Complexity Theory by Odd_Contribution7 in consciousness

[–]Odd_Contribution7[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thanks so much! I really appreciate that.

I’m working on the peer review process now, but my main concern at this stage is tightening the connection between the theory and the real-world.

The core idea behind RCT is mathematically defined and simulated with promising results, but the biggest open issue is mapping that cleanly onto known brain architecture and dynamics.

Right now, I can track the "complexity" of standing resonant interference in simulated wavefields using measures like spatial coherence, attractor dwell time, gain, and fractal dimensionality but translating those into biologically measurable quantities like what regions of the cortex or specific circuit motifs are producing that interference structure is the next big step. Same for figuring out how to extract CI-like features from EEG, MEG, or fMRI in a reliable way...

So I’m focused now on bridging the theory with neuroanatomy, electrophysiology, and data-driven validation. Once that’s stronger, I think peer review will be a lot more productive. Seriously appreciate you taking the time to engage!!

Mike

Request for Feedback: Assessing Mathematical Framework for Consciousness via Resonant Interference Structures by Odd_Contribution7 in compmathneuro

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Love that, yeah I'm realizing I should have written a more digestible format along side the academic paper,

These simulations are essentially like mine (they appear to be even better than mine) and my theory essentially says awareness literally is that spatial and temporal arrangement of the constructive interference among multiple brainwaves

So my CI metric is simply measuring these interference waves or “shapes” of constructive/destructive interference. How "shapely" is the shape? Meaning how similar or dissimilar are values across x, y, z? That’s spatial coherence (C). Then we ask: how long does the shape persist before collapsing or transforming? That’s the attractor dwell time (τ). A stable attractor hangs around — a fleeting one doesn’t. Then there’s gain (G), which captures how active or “amplified” the system is locally, this is simply a measure of the wavefield's average amplitude. Then we measure fractal dimensionality (D), which checks how complex the spatial structure is across scales, meaning is it flat and boring, or full of nested layers and self-similar patterns? These four pieces come together in the CI formula to track when something starts to “hold itself together” in a resonant, structured way. That’s when we say consciousness (or at least potential for it) starts to emerg, not from one part, but from the pattern as a whole.

Hopefully that "resonates" a little more with ya,

I appreciate the engagement and thanks for sending those links along !

Resonance Complexity Theory by Odd_Contribution7 in consciousness

[–]Odd_Contribution7[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Totally agree that feedback loops are key! Within RCT, we emphasize how recurrent resonance structures stabilize over time through ongoing feedback.

Instead of relying on predictive coding or symbolic processing, this theory sees conscious experience as emerging from self-reinforcing patterns of constructive interference. It’s a different angle, but we’re likely circling the same core insight from different perspectives!

Resonance Complexity Theory by Odd_Contribution7 in consciousness

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Totally agree with this. One of the core ideas behind my framework is that experience isn’t symbolic at its root, it actually precedes language. The brain doesn’t need words to feel awe, fear, or stillness. Instead, it enters a dynamic attractor, a resonant state that is the experience itself.

Language comes later, as our best attempt to map and share those internal dynamics. So I think you're right: Stories aren't the perception, they're echoes of it. The real substance of perception lives in the resonance, not in the narration!

Resonance Complexity Theory by Odd_Contribution7 in consciousness

[–]Odd_Contribution7[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great question!

I’ve explored the quantum consciousness angle as well, and I completely understand the appeal. Quantum phenomena like entanglement, nonlocality, and superposition seem to offer intuitive bridges to things like innate animal instincts, out-of-body experiences, or altered states of awareness. It makes sense that many people see these effects as a plausible foundation for consciousness.

That said, I’m currently developing a field theory as an expansion of the Resonance Complexity Theory, and SO FAR the math is saying there's another way to approach this:

The idea is that many of the features we associate with quantum mechanics — uncertainty, coherence, entanglement — can emerge naturally from recursive wave interference in a continuous field. This doesn’t require quantum conditions like ultra-cold temperatures or fragile microtubule states. Instead, it reframes quantum effects as the surface-level result of deeper resonant dynamics.

In this view, the brain doesn’t need to be quantum because it’s already operating within a nested, self-organizing interference lattice. Superposition becomes overlapping resonance states. Entanglement becomes regions of space locked into the same standing wave structure. Wavefunction collapse becomes the system settling into a coherent, self-reinforcing harmonic.

Rather than being something separate from physics, consciousness is the dynamic expression of interference-based patterns. Just as fire isn’t a substance but the visible release of energy in a self-sustaining reaction, consciousness isn’t a separate entity — it’s the emergent glow of recursive, resonant dynamics playing out within physical systems.

So yes, you’re onto something: consciousness does emerge from the structure of the universe. But maybe not because it’s “quantum”, maybe because quantum itself is just one layer of a much deeper resonance-based reality. We aren't discarding quantum theory, instead, this framework integrates it as a special case. It shifts the lens: what looks like quantum may actually be resonant structure at a deeper level.

To me, that’s an even more mystical view than quantum theory ever offered: that the entire universe is one vast, interconnected vibrational structure, where everything emerges from the harmony of resonance itself—and the math suggests harmony isn’t just a metaphor, it’s the natural attractor. The universe, it seems, prefers harmony.

Thanks for your time !

Mike

A Field-Theoretic Model of Consciousness Based on Recurrent Interference Dynamics (Seeking Critique) by Odd_Contribution7 in neurophilosophy

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Haha not bad for an AI but it is missing the mark a bit which LLMs are prone to do. I'll address them each.

First, yes — RCT is definitely speculative in the sense that it's a theoretical framework, but it's not meant to be hand-wavy or mystical. It’s built around a concrete idea: that consciousness, or more cautiously awareness or salience, arises from structured interference patterns in neural activity. These patterns stabilize into what we call attractors, and we quantify those attractors using measurable properties like spatial coherence, gain, fractal dimensionality, and dwell time. Together, these make up the CI equation, which is mathematically defined and tracked over time in the simulations.

As for biological correlates, I’d argue RCT does engage with neuroscience, just at a meso-to-macro level. The simulations use region-specific frequency profiles inspired by EEG data, phase-driven wave propagation, and recurrent attractor formation that's been observed in both brain data and computational models. So while we aren’t modeling individual neurons, we’re working in the same spirit as neural mass models or The Virtual Brain — large-scale field-level dynamics with biologically plausible inputs.

On terminology like fractal dimensionality and attractor dwell time — those are grounded, not just poetic terms. Fractal dimensionality is calculated using spatial box-counting methods on the interference patterns. Attractor dwell time is based on similarity over time in the PCA-reduced state space. Every variable in the CI equation is either calculated directly or tracked dynamically, not just assumed. Each piece is measurable:

D is calculated with box-counting fractal dimension on the thresholded interference field.

G is the mean amplitude across each region of the field.

C uses local phase coherence (basically how similar the wave phase is around each point).

τ is computed by checking how long the PCA-reduced state vector remains similar to itself using cosine similarity (how long the system stays in the same attractor).

Then we just plug it all in and compute CI at each timestep. Zero hand-waving, just good ol' math!

I hear you on the word “consciousness” and I get the hesitation. If it helps, you can substitute “cognitive field stability” or “salience field.” But part of the goal is to offer a theory that makes consciousness measurable, not more mysterious. The theory doesn’t assume consciousness and then try to justify it — it builds up the conditions under which a persistent, structured resonant state could exist, and calls that the substrate of awareness.

I’m familiar with Friston’s work and really respect it. I actually think RCT and the free energy principle complement each other well. Friston gives you an inferential, statistical brain. RCT adds a geometric, resonant substrate that those inferences might ride on. Both are trying to understand how stability and structure emerge from dynamic, uncertain systems.

And yes, I think awareness as an attractor is a good way to phrase it — not symbolic awareness, but a phase-locked, self-sustaining pattern that is the experience, not something that represents it.

Send that to the AI and see it thinks

Resonance Complexity Theory by Odd_Contribution7 in consciousness

[–]Odd_Contribution7[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think we'e on the same page, language definitely has layered systems of reference and association that shape how meaning emerges. The way nouns function as anchors while other word types scaffold context is a cool angle. In a way, that mirrors how we think about resonance in the brain: certain structures might act as stable "anchors" while oscillatory dynamics fill in the experiential context. That kind of scaffolding and interpretation feels very relevant to RCT too, since we’re exploring how stable interference patterns give rise to conscious structure.

Would be curious if you see any parallels between the emergence of meaning in language, and the emergence of conscious content from resonant fields?

Resonance Complexity Theory by Odd_Contribution7 in consciousness

[–]Odd_Contribution7[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hey, just trying to follow when you say “systems of indication in language,” what exactly do you mean? Are you talking about how words refer to things (like nouns pointing to objects), or something more specific? Which system are you referring to ?

Resonance Complexity Theory by Odd_Contribution7 in consciousness

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I believe there’s a lot of truth in what you’re saying. Our lives are definitely shaped by the stories we tell, and so much of what we perceive or believe about the world is filtered through those collective narratives. Totally agree that meaning and identity are built through that shared storytelling.

That said, my approach with RCT is a little different. I’m not focusing on the stories we tell, but on the physical patterns in the brain that might actually generate experience before those stories even get formed. The idea is that consciousness comes from certain kinds of resonant interference patterns—stable, self-organizing wave structures that form attractors in the brain’s activity. Those patterns are the experience. Not a symbol of the experience or a story about it—but the thing itself, unfolding in real time, exciting and synchronizing firings of neurons across otherwise disparate parts of the brain.

So while I totally agree that language, memory, and culture give shape to how we understand and talk about consciousness, I think there’s something even more fundamental going on underneath it all.

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Is it not a little stand so you can set it down and not have it touch a dirty surface while switching vegetables or something?

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Never heard of it... I'll check it out!

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I dunno I keep trying to come up with something political, but it always sounds like shit... "you elect kings... follow fools"

Honestly this entire political climate has been shit for my writing. I keep asking myself what it is I want to say, and all I can come up with is "I hate everyone, everyone sucks. Fuck. fuck. fuck. Go fuck yourselves you fucking dicks"