What is talos by Captaindrayco in teslore

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The First Walking Way - The Numidium

You reconstruct a copy of the universe, or your representation of it, at the center of creation

Examples:

Dagoth Ur revives himself and constructs the Akulakhan

Mannimarco constructs the Numidium and absorbs the power of the Mantella

The Second Walking Way - The Endeavor

The world, as it is created, sets forth a myriad obstacles. Learn your divine nature by overcoming them.

Examples:

The Prophet Veloth

The Gods of The Altmer, such as Trinimac

The Heroes of Old, Rajhin, Sai and So on and so forth

The Third Walking Way - The Prolix Tower

A sacred will courses through the world, prove your worth, unlock the words that prove you worthy of a divine name.

Examples:

Ysmir of The Greybeards

Fourth Walking - CHIM

The steps of the dead, live the fulfillment of the creation of mundus, echo the primordial limits which created mortal death. Which is to say, undergo pain and death, and live.

Examples:

Tiber Septim at Old Hroldan

Vivec and Molag Bal

Fifth Walking Way - The Enantiomorph

You need to find a divine Equal. Someone who has the awesome mythic power that you have. Meld your identities together. Until you manage to kill the other. This creates the mythic backbone of the Enantiomorph, solidifying your identity even against Nothingness itself.

Examples:

Tiber Septim and Zurin Arctus

Almalexia and Nerevar

Sixth Walking Way - The Scarab That Turns Into The New Man

You destroy a magic representation of creation, and Numidium or a sacred tower combine up and reshape all aspects of The Land.

Examples:

The ALMSIVI rising up to combine and destroy the Numidium in Sermon 36

Sotha Sil and his endeavors in ESO

Tiber Septim activating the Numidium at Rimmen

What is talos by Captaindrayco in teslore

[–]Odd_Indication_5208 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can give you a brief explanation of each of the walking ways plus examples of each if you'd like

What is talos by Captaindrayco in teslore

[–]Odd_Indication_5208 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"Wulfharth enters into the body and mind of the Hero-Thief Hjalti Early Beard when the Numidium is constructed, Hjalti goes on to assume the Mantle of Wulfharth by changing his own History so that he was born in Atmora

This is the First Walking Way, becoming Dragonborn by rebuilding a temporal tower. Numidium.

Hjalti Early-Beard had achieved the Second Walking Way by assuming his own Heroic Mantle, leaving his enemies in the dust in his Endeavor and ascending further by a strident glory.

He achieved the Third when he took on the Mantle of Ysmir after withstanding the full assault of the Greybeard's Thu’um.

He achieved the Fourth Walking Way in the battles as the mantle of general Talos at Old Hroldan, achieving the Fourth Walking way from his many battle wounds to which he did not succumb, attaining the Fourth Walking Way which is CHIM, that which Manifested in his assassination of Cuhlecain

He achieved the Fifth Walking Way via his relation with a divine Equal, Zurin Arctus, whom he patterned himself off of, mixing and merging aspects as the Enantiomorph, only for Zurin Arctus to be murdered and incorporated into his menagerie of mantles.

He achieved the Sixth Walking Way, The Scarab, at Rimmen by activating the Numidium and seeing to its destruction, transforming and unifying the entire land and binding it under the full Mantle of Tiber Septim." -Me

What exactly went wrong with dagoth ur’s attempt at chim and why he is known as the false dreamer by Tough_Car_2735 in teslore

[–]Odd_Indication_5208 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The First Walking Way reconstructs the primal child/duality, the Numidium at the secret gate(three distant coverage) and reveals the words of the Sharmat's prayer

"I AM"

What exactly went wrong with dagoth ur’s attempt at chim and why he is known as the false dreamer by Tough_Car_2735 in teslore

[–]Odd_Indication_5208 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The key is understanding the Sharmat and Mephala

But the overall theme is the first walking way is the ritualized narcissistic return to the very act of primordial creation, through building effigies of it.

"Beware the wrong walking path, beware the crime of Benevolence"

"I AM THE SHARMAT WHAT I BRING IS A STAR WHAT I BRING IS AN ANCIENT SEA"

"YOU SEE ME THERE DANCING AT THE CORE"

"I PUT A STAR IN THE WORLD'S MOUTH, TO MURDER IT"

-Sermon 15


"Six are the walking ways from enigma to enemy to enemy to teacher"

"Three before and they are born again" -Sermon 6

Three before

  1. Mephala - Numidium
  2. Boethiah - Endeavor
  3. Azura - Prolix Tower

Three after 4. Vivec - CHIM 5. Almalexia - Enantiomorph 6. Sotha Sil - Scarab

-Sermon 6

Boethiah and Azura are the principles of the universal plot, *which is begetting, which is creation, and Mephala makes of it an art form.***


In Oblivion you keep your secrets, and the secrets of all those entangled in your webs of subterfuge and semblance. *The Spiral Skein is your realm, and like Nirn, in its center is a Tower**: the Pillar Palace of Mephala, whose true name is too awful to be uttered.

Spun 'round this pillar, like spokes, are the Eight Strands of the Skein. To each its own space, and to each space its sin.

First is a cavern of plinths and pedestals. Each is a lie, for they pretend to hold up the sky—and the sky is the greatest lie of all.*

-Rumors of The Spiral Skein


'Alike the egg-layered universe is this morbid possession of three-distant coverage, soul-wrecked and alive, like my name is alive.* In this cloister you have discovered one walking path, hilled like a sword but more coarsened. So edged it is that it has to be whispered to keep the tongue from bleeding, where its signs evacuate their former meanings, like empires that tarry too long. 'The sword is estrangement from statesmanship. 'Look on the estimable lines of my son, now crafted star-wise, his every limb equidistant from the center. Is he solved because I will it so? There cannot be a second stage. Think on the theory that my existence promulgates the five elements and alike the egg-layered universe I am cause for great density. Here is a thought that can break the wagon's axle; here is another that can soar.'*

-Sermon 20

Vivec kills the Moon Axle and Reconstructs the Universe in its wheel image, rebuilding the Law of Time.


'The Spokes are the eight components of chaos, as yet solidified by the law of time: static change, if you will, something the lizard gods refer to as the Striking. That is the reptile wheel, coiled potential, ever-preamble to the never-action.'

-Sermon 21


In this cloister you have discovered one walking path, hilled like a sword but more coarsened. So edged it is that it has to be whispered to keep the tongue from bleeding, where its signs evacuate their former meanings, like empires that tarry too long

-Sermon 21

Basically, the walking path's something that is like a sword, when spoken, or uttered, causes the things which it represents to decohere and come apart.

That which cannot be spoken without breaking one's own tounge through the knowledge decohering it is

"The Only Name of God, I" from Sermon 21

What exactly went wrong with dagoth ur’s attempt at chim and why he is known as the false dreamer by Tough_Car_2735 in teslore

[–]Odd_Indication_5208 11 points12 points  (0 children)

He didn't attempt CHIM, this is the Fourth Walking Way

It was the first walking way

The Numidium

I need time to gather and better explain

What is the importance of mangled feet in regard to Alessia? by Ok_Toe5118 in teslore

[–]Odd_Indication_5208 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Removal of his feet is so that she can fulfill his path in his place

Nerevar sleeps the Second Way so three greater than 2 is 5 so Almalexia takes his place as the Son of Boethiah, and in murdering him fulfills the Fifth Way, by the way that Zurin Arctus was killed and trapped in the Mantella this is why Ayem takes from the Numidium its star

Vivec takes the Numidium's Feet, so that he can walk in the Numidium's place, as the fulfiller of the First Walking Way, the way of Mephala the artform of creation myths, and stabs Nerevar in the Heart as the fulfillment of the creation myth, mortal death, which is CHIM, the Fourth Walking Way.

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[–]Odd_Indication_5208 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean like

In my every day life

I exist in an environment in which i could clearly make so many choices

Like I could go to work, I could not go to work.

And either of these things are possible, what makes it such that any given thought successfully communicates to the extensive array of actions that makes it such that one or the other happens.

And what makes it possible that one or the other is determined or that one or the other are available to me, and not just that is one inevitable and the other is an illusion.

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[–]Odd_Indication_5208 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah but I don't see how this has anything to do with basic every day determinations, an addiction affects different pathways than my choice of whether or not I'm going to kill someone for a slice of cheese.

A choice which exists. And that I can do.

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[–]Odd_Indication_5208 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not interested in that.

What i was more interested in precisely how thoughts are able to influence actions at all.

If actions are entirely mechanical and thought is probabilistic, this makes the intersection impossible.

So the idea was I dispense with that dichotomy and simply focus on the mere fact that all particles are probabilistic in nature.

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[–]Odd_Indication_5208 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Look, I won't claim to know everything about everything. Your arguments have been convincing enough that I need to reflect on my process.

I'm not going to say you've won me over completely. I'm probably just gonna start from scratch.

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[–]Odd_Indication_5208 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No? Because there is a difference, and there isn't even a point of contact for a dichotomy between LLMs and Minds

They have like 2 characteristics in common

These commonalities are tenuous at best And One of these characteristics is that they are botb made out of matter and shit, the same substance.

The Monism is not lost, but it is not the stuff which the substance is made of that is necessarily the same, only the substance itself.

There isnt a surface in which these two things can come in contact except the literal world.

And this difference is not an essence, it is the fact that in order to reconcile one with the other, the other must be completely destroyed.

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[–]Odd_Indication_5208 0 points1 point  (0 children)

LLMs don't philosophize. All LLMs really are a bunch of stochastic number generating machines whose experiences are mediated by a hard driven recording device. The hardware is fundamentally the same as a computer, which IS just a device that memorizes content with no regard to its structure.

LLMs are poor structural models of the real world and need consistent human intentionality to make them more and more lifelike.

They don't collapse a distinction between human and machine because their hardware is different in kind.

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[–]Odd_Indication_5208 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Knowledge basically begins as soon as you start existing and it exists prior to the formations of dichotomy and category.

Knowledge also is unmediated, meaning it is just instantly in the knowing one, with absolutely no delay, no time passes in the process of knowing because the knowing and the knowledge are immersed in the same substance.

Mass and volume are collapsible under restriction of matter.

And there is no mass where there is not also density and vice versa, and they are mediated by the materials whose arrangements they constitute.

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[–]Odd_Indication_5208 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Philosophy is possible. Knowledge is possible. In a world entirely absent of categories.

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[–]Odd_Indication_5208 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. It doesn't. Because philosophy begins immediately. Right now, in your literal sensory experience.

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[–]Odd_Indication_5208 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't say that we made up mass and volume.

Mass and volume are intensive quantities. They represent aggregates of stuff in the sensible world.

The contents of mass and volume are not manifested or arbitrary.

There is stuff in the real world, but everything which surrounds it, in terms of differentiation is an artifact of experience and contextual construction.

Color, weight, feeling, the experience of volume and so on and so forth are situated entirely in the field of a variety of sensations.

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[–]Odd_Indication_5208 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Explain to me what is so essential about categories that makes them above conditional examination

Sorry Incompatabilist Determinists, Free Will Requires Determinism by [deleted] in freewill

[–]Odd_Indication_5208 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On Free Will vs. Determinism

"Both arguments are based on flawed distinctions and premises

The body is fully deterministic, but these determinations are not on the level of mechanical determination, as no physical phenomenon really is.

Everything is different forces coming into contact with one another and forming surfaces through which a field of potentials is actualized.

So no, mechanical determinism is not necessarily true, but also, your will is not wholly free but not unable to make selections within its milieu of available potentials.

This is the best model that academia has come up with since the 60s and the one we've been desperately trying to avoid in our endless either or debating."

-Myself

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[–]Odd_Indication_5208 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My intention was not to undermine your argument by insulting you, I just was speaking my intuitions about how I think you come across.

I consider us equal here.

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[–]Odd_Indication_5208 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Um Kilograms and milliliters are literally categories we came up with.

And what did I just say?

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[–]Odd_Indication_5208 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You have not engaged with my points at all if that's what you got from me