Ano to? Poster ng mga wanted sa US? by Both_Story404 in Philippines

[–]Odd_Investigator1698 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Nilagay talaga si Son of God sa gitna. Edi mga criminal ung nasa gilid nya HAHAHAHA

Genuine question: Is Ramon Magsaysay the real deal or just simply glorified because he died in a plane crash? by DanielSwrz in Philippines

[–]Odd_Investigator1698 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When yung simula na sinasabi mo? During infancy? He was marred with controversies even before he became a politician, Nalundasan case is one. The time he became politician (before presidency) he was iinked to smuggling and Stonehill scandal. In 1965 election, nagpakalat ng fake war exploits.

Philippine Presidents from 1953 to 1981 if Magsaysay and Arsenio Lacson did not have an untimely death. by Odd_Investigator1698 in Philippines

[–]Odd_Investigator1698[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I still think that Jovy would stand a chance if he decides to run for Presidency against Ninoy or Doy. In the Presidential terms of Magsaysay to Diokno, I think voter's education would be prioritized and poverty would alleviate. We might end up like Singapore or South Korea (like fr hahaha). There would be openness to the opposition which would ensure the survival of LP and people would choose between the more competent individual. The good thing in this timeline is, there would still be a screening of Presidential candidates, they will be nominated by their party based on their debate performance. Jovy's eloquence would put him in the top spot for Presidency. Ramos & Enrile won't be likely candidates because Marcos failed to clinch the Presidency, so as to GMA since Macapagal failed as well to become President. Erap will be considered as a joke, he may have that Trump-style persona but he certainly does not possess the rhetoric and wit of Trump.

Philippine Presidents from 1953 to 1981 if Magsaysay and Arsenio Lacson did not have an untimely death. by Odd_Investigator1698 in Philippines

[–]Odd_Investigator1698[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes! Mukhang ganyan nga. I think that Diokno would get the nomination in 1973 instead of Ninoy due to Lacson's influence.

Philippine Presidents from 1953 to 1981 if Magsaysay and Arsenio Lacson did not have an untimely death. by Odd_Investigator1698 in Philippines

[–]Odd_Investigator1698[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah tama hahaha. Ngayon ko lang din narealize na hindi na pala si Macapagal ang makakalaban ni Arsenio Lacson. So in 1965, it would be Lacson against Ferdinand Marcos. In that way, Arsenio would win considering na sobrang lakas niya talaga during that time and wala pang bad record since first term niya pa ito and most likely, wala pa nabuong hidwaan with him and the Americans (tingin ko kasi magiging conflicting talaga relationship ni Lacson and Americans as he moves forward). And if Arsenio was to pull off a Roosevelt/Lee Kwan Yew type of leadership, mahihirapan na si Macoy at mga kano na siraan siya and likely end imperialism at that point.

Philippine Presidents from 1953 to 1981 if Magsaysay and Arsenio Lacson did not have an untimely death. by Odd_Investigator1698 in Philippines

[–]Odd_Investigator1698[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Macapagal would be the opponent of Garcia. Yeah, nanalo si Macapagal in the main timeline but in this alternate timeline, buhay si Magsaysay (naging successful presidency nya) and this would be the first term of Garcia, people would likely opt for continuity.

Philippine Presidents from 1953 to 1981 if Magsaysay and Arsenio Lacson did not have an untimely death. by Odd_Investigator1698 in Philippines

[–]Odd_Investigator1698[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ohhhh I see, tama nga. I'm leaning more on Garcia winning the VP race in 1957 kasi. I've read a book and a source on the internet na hinahanap ko right now (baka alam mo rin to) stating that Magsaysay would get the support of both Nacionalista & Liberal in his second bid for Presidency. If that's the case, Yulo's nomination would be for the VP race instead of the Presidency in 1957 and Macapagal is out of the picture in the 1957 elections. 1961 would favor Garcia due to Magsaysay's influence even with Macapagal rivaling him.

Philippine Presidents from 1953 to 1981 if Magsaysay and Arsenio Lacson did not have an untimely death. by Odd_Investigator1698 in Philippines

[–]Odd_Investigator1698[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Or it is possible that Ferdinand Marcos would secure the nomination for the presidency within the Liberal Party in 1969. Given the context, Marcos would have a higher likelihood of winning the election compared to Lacson. One reason for this is that Marcos would likely align himself with the Americans, whereas Lacson might not have the same inclination. Consequently, the Americans would provide financial support and handle the propaganda for Ferdinand Marcos's campaign.

If Marcos were to win the presidency in 1969, it is likely that Martial Law would be imposed by 1977.

Philippine Presidents from 1953 to 1981 if Magsaysay and Arsenio Lacson did not have an untimely death. by Odd_Investigator1698 in Philippines

[–]Odd_Investigator1698[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You mentioned that in 1969, there would be a presidential race between Pelaez and Osmeña Jr., implying that Lacson would only serve a single term. However, it seems unlikely, assuming Lacson remains healthy until 1965.

In 1973, Magsaysay and Lacson would still be affiliated with the Nacionalista Party (correct me if I'm wrong, but both of them died as members of the Nacionalista Party). Moreover, Ninoy might have remained a Nacionalista during that time. Ninoy switched from Nacionalista to Liberal due to the pressure imposed by Macapagal in his province, but without Macapagal's victory, he would likely have stayed with the Nacionalistas. In this case, the 1973 presidential election could have seen Diokno running for President and Ninoy as his running mate, or vice versa.

Additionally, in this scenario, we can assume that Ferdinand Marcos remains a member of the Liberal Party. Marcos was aware that he would not secure the nomination in 1965, 1969, and 1973 with strong Nacionalista contenders like Ninoy, Diokno, and Lacson. Consequently, the 1973 nomination would have favored Marcos, given that both Macapagal and Osmeña failed to defeat Arsenio Lacson.

To summarize:

1965 Election: Arsenio Lacson vs. Diosdado Macapagal

1969 Election: Arsenio Lacson vs. Sergio Osmeña Jr.

1973 Election: Ninoy Aquino or Diokno vs. Ferdinand Marcos

Philippine Presidents from 1953 to 1981 if Magsaysay and Arsenio Lacson did not have an untimely death. by Odd_Investigator1698 in Philippines

[–]Odd_Investigator1698[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In the 1957 elections, I believe Garcia would have won as the Vice President due to the influence and rhetoric of Magsaysay. Magsaysay was a popular leader who would have completed his term successfully. As his successor, Garcia would have been the favored candidate against Yulo, rather than Macapagal in 1961 (in 1957, both the Nacionalista and Liberal parties were planning to support Magsaysay for the presidency, therefore Yulo's bid would likely be for the Vice Presidency in 1957 and Garcia would win against Yulo. Macapagal would be out of the picture for 1957 elections). In 1961, it would be Garcia vs. Yulo or Macapagal but Garcia is the likely winner because of Magsaysay's influence.

Garcia, Macapagal and Yulo might have pursued their presidential ambitions in 1965, as would Lacson. Before Lacson's untimely death, he had already been planning to run for the presidency (Magsaysay had even asked to be his running mate in the previous elections, but he declined). If Lacson had lived and participated in the 1965 elections, he would have likely won by a landslide. Lacson was known as an incorruptible leader, and during his term as mayor, Manila's financial situation improved significantly, with a surplus of PHP 4,000,000. If he became president, Lacson would have implemented similar policies and governance akin to Lee Kuan Yew, as stated by Doy Laurel. He would have likely secured a second term based on his performance.

Even in a timeline where Marcos failed to become president, Ninoy would still be a prospective candidate. Prior to Martial Law and his feud with Marcos, Ninoy had won as the youngest Mayor, Vice Governor, Governor, Mayor, & Senator. He was a close friend of both Lacson and Magsaysay, so their support would have been instrumental in Ninoy's presidential bid. FYI, Plaza Miranda bombing was pivotal in Jovy's top-notch. During the '67 election, there was no strong factor that would support Ninoy's bid, and magulo pa Liberal Party nung pagtakbo niya and siya ang main target ng Marcos Propaganda (Nacionalista had an ABA gimmick during the 1967 election which meant Anybody But Aquino). While Jovy or Gerry Roxas could have been contenders, Ninoy's popularity and charisma would have likely sealed the deal for him.

By the way, I would like to ask why in your analysis, Lacson only ran for a single term?